EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars
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jrkirby
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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. Ok, you're leaning town on him, but your afraid of electing him because electing him will allow us to know for sure if he's scum? Is anyone else thinking this logic is dumb? Catching a guaranteed scum for giving mafia an extra KP and HP check is totally worth it. And you didn't even think that was likely. So... why not vote for him? + Show Spoiler + I just got caught up on the thread. | ||
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I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why: 1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house. 2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start. 3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum. 4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time. 5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps. 6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful). 7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on. 8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum. 9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency. I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists: 1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. | ||
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jrkirby
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This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:37 Clarity_nl wrote: If you had made notes while reading the thread you should already know every house' list. Well, it was 25 pages, and I might have missed something. If it really is all public knowledge, can someone compile a list of the members of all the houses? I'll do it myself eventually, but I don't have unlimited time to play this game. And, no, you're right, I was not taking notes. | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms? #Trafficcop We cannot PM people outside our houses, right? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Not caught up with the thread currently, my internet was out at home last night, and it just keeps getting longer as I try to read. T.T | ||
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jrkirby
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Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:41 Grackaroni wrote: If you are town, I suggest a vote on onegu or jrkirby. Consider what I said about Koshi I remember reading your case on me. I posted those things halfway through day 1 because I wasn't there at the start of day 1 but I wanted to get them posted anyway. Is that really a scummy thing to do? I also started with my scumread on solstice. Also, I caused the house member lists to get posted on page 46, is that not helpful for town? | ||
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The first PM I got from onegu was that we should elect oberyn because he was experienced. I PM'd Oberyn a bunch before deciding to elect oberyn, but the campaign kinda started with onegu. Without the association though, this isn't inherently scummy in my opinion. | ||
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On August 10 2013 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Why can't one be town and the other be scum. Surely a townie can advocate electing scum? It's even possible for insecure scum to immediately elect a townie. You said if one is scum so is the other, why? I said there's a decent chance. Sure it's possible for one to be scum and not the other, but them being on the same side mostly makes sense. Just consider one of them to be likely scum if the other is guaranteed scum. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. That seems scummy. It would make sense if he asked acro to stop playing in character, but lynch him for it? Also this is after Oberyn puts his vote on acro. Perhaps he's trying to push a wagon on someone he knows is town. The rest of his filter seems fine, but that's pretty scummy there. | ||
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