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On July 31 2013 07:33 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I spend my day erasing bugs in code...time to do the same thing at night! Mwahaha While I'm all for the odd joke, when somebody posts something like this they come accross as incredibly scummy and warrant further inspection. | ||
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Holyflare
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Umasi, your reads for the last games are extremely helpful, thank you! | ||
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i.e : Who are the people you find most suspicious? Any notes you have on other peoples play styles Any links you have found between people; eg. people defending others that arouse suspicion. Most commonly scum tend to bandwagon with the rest of the town when they do not know what to say, watch out for these people. It is within the interest of townies to play incredibly pro town so as to eliminate suspicion from themselves and make the mafia play super pro town to blend in. When the mafia is forced to do this they are actually helping town further their search, and if they do not, well you have found the scum to lynch! | ||
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Then there are also the people that draw suspicion to themselves via apologetic acts about how they can't post as much today or how it is their first game, not saying that you are suspicious to me reps (yet?) but that is generally how people will try and pass under your radar. | ||
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On July 31 2013 11:02 DeusXmachina wrote: I am going to take a stance. Reps is scummy. He is going completely overboard with the noobie innocence routine. He already let us know before the game started that he was new to mafia. Why does he have to keep reminding us. Furthermore, he says, "Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard". Why is it hard for you? Are you constantly reminded that you need to post but you are fearful of sticking your neck out. How scummy of you reps. Who else is with me? Hold up there skippy, while yes, he has been somewhat repetitive, the day is young; he is after all new. I AM interested to hear his replies to the questions you have raised though. | ||
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These posts from you all specify how we should move the game forward and yet your input to doing that was minimal, until now. On July 31 2013 11:02 DeusXmachina wrote: I am going to take a stance. Reps is scummy. He is going completely overboard with the noobie innocence routine. He already let us know before the game started that he was new to mafia. Why does he have to keep reminding us. Furthermore, he says, "Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard". Why is it hard for you? Are you constantly reminded that you need to post but you are fearful of sticking your neck out. How scummy of you reps. Who else is with me? The way you have phrased this post implies complete knowledge that he is a scum and are trying to get people to bandwagon with you. With the little amount that we have seen making a call this early with the small amount of imformation that you do have is something a scum themself would do to eliminate a townsperson. | ||
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On July 31 2013 11:43 StiMaDDict wrote: Logic flaw. Also why are you defending Reps? I am not defending him, if anything his reply to Deus' post made me more suspicious of him. What I AM trying to avoid is a first few hour bandwagon that would deviate from discussions that we could potentially be having to determine who else is town. | ||
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On July 31 2013 11:50 StiMaDDict wrote: @Holyflare: Your thought on Reps' response, please sir. @Deus: If you are gonna joke, joke. If you are gonna be serious, be serious. Don't mix those two. Also I know that mafia has flavor but use common language if you would be kind, such as town, scum, and lynch. Lastly, if you are voting, announce it in this thread as well. My thoughts on reps are still undertemined, the posts Deus is referring to are generally all pre-game. IF anything reps has progressed the discussion of the town through this post: On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote: So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here? That was actually a somewhat productive post. It got people talking, a pro-town move if any. He has mentioned being new once in this day so to call that into the open so soon is beyond me, I would have personally waited for another one or asked some leading questions. | ||
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On July 31 2013 12:05 DeusXmachina wrote: Reps is in no serious danger. If he is town he should be able to defend himself. The discussion is opening up. We can look at several important factors: 1. Is anyone trying to defend reps? 2. Who is not posting their opinion? 3. What does reps have to say in his defense? 4. I am sure you guys have more to add. Hopefully we can expose more than just reps intentions. While I know what your intentions 'are', you have gone about it in the wrong way. You falsely accused someone of repetition when it has happened once, that is not a way to determine peoples alliances unless you mistakingly thought his post-game posts were in the day. It is also 4-5am in Europe so half the people won't reply for another few hours. I will also be off to bed shortly so if anyone has anything to ask me before I go, say it now please. | ||
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On July 31 2013 12:08 StiMaDDict wrote: Contradiction? Only discussion that Reps's post brought up was this. Nothing particular useful, in my humble opinion. You stated your opinion and Umasi kind of dismissed it in joking manner. If you think this particular topic was a good starting point for a discussion which is evidence from the fact that you answered it and brought it in your 'defense' of Reps, why did you not keep this on the table and press others to voice their opinion on lurkers? I have seen reps post only a few times and so my overall suspicion of him is still undertermined, if you can make a call off of 2 posts then go ahead. His reply to Deus increased my suspicion but that only makes me wonder if he is truly just a newbie bad town or a scum, not for certain, hence undertermined. His post asking about peoples views on lurkers is more productive in terms of getting the ball rolling than Deus' posts that Umasi has highlighted previously. However, I do not feel that talking about people's opinions on lurker votes was a good topic to get the ball rolling and so did not follow up on it. Let me just reiterate this for you, I am not on the defence of anyone here, I am pointing out the facts of what is occurring. | ||
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On July 31 2013 12:15 StiMaDDict wrote: It seems as if you know Reps' alliance, hmm.. Also if you read Deus' accusation, he did differentiate Reps' pre-game post and in-game post. Falsely accusing someone of repetion does not equal falsely accused of being scum. While he did say that he mentioned being a noob in pre-game that has no relevance to here as he did not receive his role then. Saying that he is a noob within the game can be taken both ways (as a scum move or newbie move) and so when Deus' did his bold accusation it shocked me how he could be so forward so soon. However, the more I see reps posts the more I become confused. On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote: Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. This gives me the impression that he wants to be on the good side of the town and not potentially lynch off one of the townies. Just a read though. | ||
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On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote: reps, I'll tell you two useful things~ A: If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to. B: there's a handy quote button, use it. Regardless~ fuck I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on. Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one. Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss; On July 31 2013 15:53 reps)squishy wrote: Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis; 1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration? I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote: Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges. reps: This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. I disagree that reps post seems townie at first, although I do agree with your later point on him trying to absolve himself after he was seemingly cleared makes him super scummy. I also think that Umasi has been somewhat linked to reps which may prove to be a possible mafia connection (I will explain further if you read down). Deus' posts although pretty aggressive were in the interest of furthering discussion, however, he could just be forcing any old lynch just as equally; for now he seems to be a townie or a neutral, unlikely to be mafia in my opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Show Spoiler + Umasi/alakaslam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. On the obvious Umasi/alakasam circle: I'm not sure about these two, they have a strong connection yes but they also had that in the pre-game chatter. This can pose as a deceiving thing when it comes to determining who is town and who is scum. For now I'm not sure this link poses valuable information other than both of them haven't really contributed much analysis although they have posted a lot, which is a scummy move. They have also bandwagoned onto the Deus vote together which seems a bit abrupt. There is however another circle that I'd like to point out for you: On July 31 2013 11:57 Umasi wrote: I don't think that his talking about being newbie is a scum tell, since town do it too. it, like, could very well be, but calling him scum only because of this is hasty. I've made the same mistake before (see superfluous in last game) and turned out to be totally wrong, but I don't think it was a stretch. That said, pressuring him is a double edged sword, snce it could just scare him out of the game if he's town, and that LOOKS scummy, because people don't normally think that far ahead. This is the only thing Umasi has written on in length (other than the accusation on Deus) defending the person that was under direct scrutiny at the time. If this post contained similar content to his previous posts it wouldn't have raised suspicion, however, this is out of character for what he has been writing so far. His accusation of deus now leads me to believe that Umasi is in fact defending a fellow scum (reps), although this is purely circumstantial. If anything I argue that reps would be a good lynch for the town progression to see his flip and piece together parts of the puzzle. ##vote reps)squishy | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:15 Zyrre wrote: Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post. He did post this also however: (later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again) Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it. I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though. I do agree with you that asking for him to post reads is seemingly a town move, although any scum can obviously do the same, it is a weakish pro town move. I, however, did initially assume Umasi was town, it was just his interactions with Alakaslam and then further with reps that has put me off him a bit further. I am interested to hear other peoples views on these connections though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On July 31 2013 23:34 Nightcat99 wrote: I will give some opinion. Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO. Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him. Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange. I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense. I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on. I agree with your Gotard read, he straight out voted for infii mid discussion about other peoples suspicious activities after infii posted some reasonable claims. He is either trying to draw the conversation away from other people who are suspicious (ie. scum move) or he is playing very bad town. Gotard, I'd like to hear your defence for this action by the way, and I also want to know your suspicions on everyone else to this point. Your posts have been slightly lacking in the evidence basis and your straight up call out on infii raises you to the top of my suspicions list right now. On a side note, lynching a lurker now might not be the best idea if there are obvious slip-ups in peoples comments. Day 2 maybe think about lynching the lurkers - sc_a.M and RDaneelOlivaw have said nothing so far bar the On July 31 2013 07:33 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: scummy helpless post.I spend my day erasing bugs in code...time to do the same thing at night! Mwahaha | ||
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