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1) hzflank - cold, calculated. Null read. 2) StiMaDDict - bad town. It would be too easy if he's mafia. 3) Chromatically - I think he's pushing stim too hard (he's agressive in general) but at the same time it's good for town to see some bandwagons going 4) jrkirby - confuses me a little.But he has a similar view on StiMaDDict as i do. On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. 5) Koshi - inexperienced or lurking hard. 6) Xzavier - one good post On July 13 2013 04:58 Xzavier wrote: its fine, all i have to do is show supporting evidence and never try to make my own case on gotard. No wait, that one was good. Need to see some more activity from him to have a read. I don't agree that lynching lurker is better than no lynch (9v3 > 8v3) 7) Rainbows - A lot of posts with minimum impact seems more townie than mafia. On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote: wtf?I play exactly the same as scum and town imo. 8) Nightcat99 - lurking newbie. 9) Umasi - Very aggressive same as last game I played with him (He was town). 11) Hurricane Sponge - biggest town read. Really liked this post. 12) Superfluous - Town vibe. 13) cloud-9 - US timezone and 0 posts. | ||
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On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote: Gotard, who do you want to lynch? Easy question. Umasi and Xzavier!!! (jk) I'm really confused because my biggest (biggest doesn't mean that i'm really sure of anything) scum reads don't think that Stim is mafia. Maybe they don't want to vote on him because they know that this is too easy and don't want to jump on him that early. On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote: Why don't you think that Stim is scum? He looks like a bad town not like mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. There are two side of things: -Tunneling like that doesn't benefit town that much because all of the focus goes to stim and obviously gives some chance to lynch a townie (assuming stim is townie). -But on the other hand starting a bandwagon is necessary to see who is who and lynch someone at the end of the day. To be honest I don't see mafia tunneling so hard on him because if we decide to lynch him and he flips town Chromatically might be next in the line. I'd expect more calculated movement form mafia. On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. I've learned a thing when I played last game with Umasi: He's confusing as hell and you can never be sure about him  But right now I can see him trying to push things without overreacting which is pro town.On July 13 2013 23:07 Chromatically wrote: He needs to explain himself and his actions. There's absolutely no reason for him to afk all day if he's town, do you agree? There's a difference between tunneling and pushing your read. I don't understand why people have town reads on Stim, so I'm asking them and trying to convince them. But there is no reason for pushing him when he's afk and he won't respond to your accusations. you can focus on something else and go back to him later. You can always try to lynch him at the end of the day when you won't have any better reads. | ||
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"All he's done is confirm town reads. Mathematically, he thinks more people are town than is possible:" My "biggest" reads: 1) hzflank - cold, calculated. Null read. 4) jrkirby - confuses me a little. But he has a similar view on StiMaDDict as i do. 5) Koshi - inexperienced or lurking hard. 6) Xzavier - one good post [...] Need to see some more activity from him to have a read 8) Nightcat99 - lurking newbie. 13) cloud-9 - US timezone and 0 posts. and Rainbows seemed really confusing. you have some possible people to choose from... You need to understand that if someone is 99.9% town for me he still might be mafia but it's highly unlikely and don't say "Mathematically" if you can't prove something "Mathematically" (you didn't even try rotfl). | ||
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Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel. Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it. ##vote: jrkirby. | ||
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On July 14 2013 08:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Do you think Superfluous is Town? I would say him being scum is more likely even now than it was before because he can't really defend himself. Yes, he had some pro town post giving his reads in semi-aggressive way but then he writes something like that: On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote: Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. My problem is that after seeing stuff like that i usually tend to think: "Isn't it to easy to be true" and I would put mistakes like that into inexperience basket but he admitted himself that he played mafia on some other forums... His way of getting out of trouble doesn't seem pro town whatsoever so i have to say hi's scum if he won't change anything in his posting. Overall I still think jrkirby is a little bit more scummy. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:03 jrkirby wrote: Gotard is really sheeping with his vote on me. In one post, he says I "confuse him a little" before anyone has voted me. Then he votes me saying: What? You think that you can just sheep me because of the two biggest bandwagons, you like this one better? You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit? Because that is NOT ok. You better pick up your play, because that is scum. He reiterates a couple of things other people have said, and doesn't even get all of it, and misinterprets even basic things: That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention. On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one. Guys, I think we found scum. Vote: Gotard Since the majority of votes is required to lynch someone you need to jump on wagons or make really strong case for other to follow and some people are just better than me at doing that. What do you mean by saying "You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit". You can say stuff like that about 50% of the players in this game... And this bandwagon of course fits me because I find you scummy. "That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention.". Then what was the point of that post? To confuse people? To make fake content? I don't see how that post was pro town in any way. It was simply useless. "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:54 jrkirby wrote: Does anyone have defense for Gotard? Rainbows, you unvoted him to vote... no one? I don't understand. It doesn't sound like you've stopped thinking he's scum, you just unvoted him. Can someone else read Gotard's filter and tell me why he's not scum? I can, | ||
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Chromatically - For me he looks more like a town that mafia. He tends to put himself in a headlights by creating wagons and defending them really strongly with no fear (but sometimes he's tunneling himself like when he was pressuring Stim). In 'The Super Case' he brought good points and made some more room for discussion. Would he make such a strong defense to save his scum buddy? I don't thing so because after Super flipping scum he would be in a big trouble. Pushing lynch isn't scummy if you have good points and your target barely shows and signs of On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote: Scumteam Hurricane Koshi Rainbow/gotard I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. Hurricane ensured lynch that day. Everyone agreed that both of them are super scummy. I think leadership like that is useful when you need majority to lynch. His posts are super pro town in general and leading town like that even in wrong direction isn't scummy to me. Koshi - reading comprehension... I will address him later after reading his filter. | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:14 Koshi wrote: I would sheep. I have no targets that need to get lynched now. As promised Koshi's case: On July 13 2013 08:19 Koshi wrote: @Hurricane Sponge Koshi: I am still learning on how to play the game properly. I am extremely bad at scumhunting. I get very easily annoyed by people saying that I am scum (I am working on this). I love fluff posts. I hate illogical posts but it seems that illogical does not mean you are scum, however, I am not planning on ever making an illogical post and when I do please call me on it. As you can see, I got a lot of bad qualities that make me look scum all the time. However, I always prove that I am town by trying and hopefully this game I can prove it by actually nailing some scumreads. Yeah he's bad so there is not much point to listen to him just ignore... On July 15 2013 00:10 Koshi wrote: Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in. I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case. Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead. all others should FOLLOW. Interesting. why would he want others to just follow? It's easy to hide as a scum if people are just following few leaders. And then trying to correct himself but it's still FOCUS ON THEM. On July 15 2013 00:13 Koshi wrote: When you follow lead you should also give own reasoning obviously. But at this point we just need to pick one of these 2 targets. Change in his activity level is really interesting as well. He started with "hello i'm bad" lurking type of player and became 2nd Umasi (no offence) and he of course explained it. On July 15 2013 09:55 Koshi wrote: I actually think you are pretty smart. I was just screaming and kicking in the lynch so that I could get a good read on you and other people. Imagine how boring that last lynch would have been without the two of us. But I am currently having serious scum vibes coming from you. I am pretty sure that I am partially the reason why Kirby died. I played my role as lunatic in the start and people stopped listening to me. I tried to be more serious at the end of the lynch with my "Why Kirby is a better save than Super" but it was too late. But anyway, the only reason why I stopped being the lunatic is because I am 100% certain that your defense of Super is unholy. I hope that people will see the same reasoning. Also, with the green flip of kirby I should NEVER be seen as scum. Or I am that retard that wants to go 2 versus 11 with a bit of townkred from the Day 1 scum lynch. Personally I didn't find that defense particularly scummy. So Koshi's reasons: + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 09:18 Koshi wrote: Chrom is becoming the target and not Super. I hope I have time to make a good case in the next 24hours. Because the defense of Chrom was UNHOLY. Even if Super flips town, the reasoning of Chrom was getting out of control. At this point I feel If super is scum than 100% Chrom is scum. If super is town, 50% Chrom is scum. Reasoning --> That defense, he must have known Super was town, because that defense made 0 sense. I am not talking about kirby here. I am talking 100% Chrom putting his neck out for a guy that was not better than kirby. On July 15 2013 11:22 Koshi wrote: Red lights in my head after this post. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 03:25 Chromatically wrote: This is blatantly untrue. Super actually posts scumreads with reasoning. Kirby does not. Chrom defending super. MAJOR RED LIGHTS going off in my head. You can see that I started being really active in this lynch right after this post below. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 05:31 Chromatically wrote: I have to rewrite this because my computer crashed, so I'm just going to c/p the parts that hz wrote (without the quotes from Super). Original case is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227¤tpage=28#549 The Super Case This isn't scummy. I've already talked about this at length, but everyone's first priority is to stay alive. If there was suspicion on me, my first priority is to remove it. Ask yourself: what would you do if you walked into the thread and there was a case on you? You'd defend yourself. ? His reason makes sense. He didn't have time to do anything more than skim, so he called out someone he thought was lurking. Not particularly townie, but not at all scummy. This isn't scummy. Bad reads =/= scum, bad townies make bad reads all of the time. You say there's no town motivation, but there's really no scum motivation. Scum know that they won't get a mislynch on you, so they have no reason to scumread you. I didn't really understand what he was saying in that sentence. This isn't scummy. This is bad reasoning. Bad reasoning often comes from bad town. If anything, this is overzealous scumhunting. This, once again, isn't scummy. If I say that I want a scumread to post more, that does NOT mean that I'm planning on replying to them. All it means is that I want them to post their reads and reasoning more often. I'm probably NOT going to reply to them, most of the time, unless I have something in particular to say. I cannot understand why you think this is bad. Once again, bad logic =/= scum. Why would a scum player say that they were just giving reads in self defense? I'll admit that this is a decent point though. So almost all of hz's case is stuff that isn't scummy. When I look at Super's filter, I see someone who's at least trying to find scum and share their reads freely. This is way more than you can say for Kirby. So I am pushing Chrom now. I find his defense unholy and I want to see how far he wants to bring this defense. So I make a timeline that is not favoring superflous. But hey, this is why everybody has the superflous scumvibe. Look how Chrom counters this timeline. Chrom says I leave out all the reads Super makes on Xzavier and Hz + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 06:41 Chromatically wrote: I think it's misrepresenting Super's play to make it sound worse than it is. Now I admit that I don't really know why I was being the caps lock lunatic. But I looked up all the superflous posts that contained "reads" on Xzavier. I suggest you do the same. There are 3(?) total and 2 are quoted in this post. Look at the 5 reasons Chroms shakes out of his head. Read Xzav his log and he didn't do much but he made 1 big post, the post where he putted Superflous on top of his scumlist, but he talked about 3-4 people iirc. This post contained more than Super did, and on a moment Sponge knew this as well. I don't see why he forgot it during the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote: You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him 2) Xzav read him as scum 3) Xzav hasn't contributed 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him 5) Gut read I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I want everybody to read super his log and READ what he says about xzavier. Then tell me why Chrom thinks Super is so special? Anyway, Chrom seems to be unaware that I am targetting him at this point. At this point I start to think that Super must be scum on top of the fact that Chrom is defending him without a good case, Chrom doesn't want to play this game with only 2 scums. Come on. How can Chrom blatantly ignore Kirby his case on Godart but find 5(!) reasons in the 2 quoted posts from superflous. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:19 Chromatically wrote: Why are you suddenly defending Xzavier? We're discussing Super, not Xzavier. It doesn't even matter if his points are good (even though 3 and 4 are), it just matters that they exist and come from a town POV. Super has 7 posts about Xzav. Here are the two: On July 15 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote: Chrom said a lot of things that you could agree with, he made me look silly sometimes. But that doesn't mean he isn't scum. You have to look at some of the assumptions he made, the ignoring of the defense Kirby made, the ignoring of the case vs Godart that Kirby made. There is a post where Chroma defends Super by saying that survival is a townplay, and that is a town thing to do when somebody makes a case against you that you defend yourself. It was a really good post by Chroma. But why did Chroma ignore the BIG DEFENSE Kirby made on Chroma his post about Kirby. Chroma gave it not enough attention at all, and it was a really good defense. This is suspicious. There are really multiple things like this. Chroma makes good posts but ignores obvious things that someone like Chroma doesn't do on purpose. Seems weird to me that he takes aggressive stance like that after saying "others should FOLLOW lead" he's ignoring his own advice. But is it scummy or not? Problem is that his advice was scummy so playing against it was pro town but at the same time i don't see how his "all caps madness" was beneficial for town. So I see that like his trying to sheep Chromatically after bad lynch day one. On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote: THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS Getting mad after misreading. Emotional plays like that indicates bad town to me. Unless he wants to fake being mad after I defended Stim. And the most important note : he can't spell my name. | ||
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On July 16 2013 03:33 Koshi wrote: Gotard, How can I become good town? You need to become town first. Play again!? | ||
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Town: -Umasi -Onegu Mafia: Superfluous - still didn't do anything pro town except for out of place cop advice. But everyone assumes town-town lynch day 1. Problem is that we couldn't move our votes freely because this tribunal thingy and there wasn't enough place for mafia to make big plays even when they would like to defend him. Another this is that Chromatically defended him so mafia didn't even have to do that. To be honest jrkirby's case on me could be good enough to put him as 2nd lynch but someone needed to put some effort into highlighting that. That is why even when that lynch looked like it was town-town it might not be the case. On July 16 2013 10:59 Superfluous wrote: For once I agree with Xzavier, Maf don't have to role block so they could just skip a night and say one of them got role blocked. That said I doubt they'd do it night one. This post looks like "hey everyone! Mafia don't have a role blocker!". Nightcat99 - Ask questions that you can easily google and find answers in 10 seconds. Shitload of useless one/two liners. 4 pages of bad content. Off-topic: I was surprised that you can post during the day in my first game, but you should check it... | ||
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