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Quick thoughts on what's gone on so far: Stutters: I'd kinda like to hear a response to what Lazer's outlined above. So far I'm feeling a lot about you like I felt about Vayne in Roulette. WoS: I'm completely null on him atm. I, as well, didn't actually read what he said. I assume if he's town, he'll show it through his play (at least, that's how I feel after my one game with him), when he actually starts playing. If I have to read his entire filter (which I assume will be a long one) through google translate I'll be... irritated. Marv: Though I'd love to be able to sheep him freely, so far nothing all that alignment indicative, imo. Might be scum, might be miller. Another person whose play will probably reveal him. If he's town, he's not going to rely on his miller claim to get out of posting, so... I guess I'm just waiting for him to not be busy. Actually, I'm kinda waiting for everyone to not be busy :S Everyone I have experience with is either busy or hasn't posted yet. | ||
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(also, I didn't really include you in "those I have experience with", since it was a very short time XD) | ||
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Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne? Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened. s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind. Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying. Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt). Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point? Caught up~~ Man, you guys post a lot. So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment. Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post. Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me. Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all. marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^ rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my vote where it is. | ||
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On July 01 2013 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuba fails to comment on JarJar and WoS aswell. Cool story, is your scumbuddy the opposing wagon? Also tell me how in normal setup it's harder to get away with a miller claim (if there are 0-2 millers) than in this one. Yeah, you caught us. Great work. Maybe you missed the part where I said I had to filterdive the other players. And it would have been easier this game because every single person in the thread posted before we realized that millers should claim their names as well. Marv could *easily* have figured that out beforehand and gone with it since he knew he had a pre-game excuse for not posting for a while. The fact that you accepted the claim as just about 100% guaranteed so quickly, and then failed to realize the rest of this is what makes you so scummy. | ||
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On July 01 2013 07:35 Stutters695 wrote: Well I would still be for JJD but Jesus Fuba either needs to explain or die. Why can't you get a read on me? Comparing me to someone with a different playstyle while softing I'm scummy but starting I'm town isn't going to cut it. Where's your usual good analysis? ROFL Out of that entire post, you choose only the bit about yourself to comment on? I'm noticing a pattern, here. First, to answer your questions: 1) I don't think I've ever had a read on you D1. Pretty much always been null, iirc. I mentioned you because you were a significant topic of conversation during the day. 2) I didn't compare you to vayne at all. I compared my read on you this game to my read on vayne last game. It's the feeling behind the read, not the player. 3) Going along with #2, it's the fact that you're doing a lot of "potentially scummy" things that I've also seen people do as town. It wasn't the overall scumminess of your actions, but the pervasiveness of possibly scummy actions. 4) I never said you were town. 5) I'm not really sure what you mean by my usual good analysis. If you're referring to D1 of Roulette, then that was apparently a fluke, because I proceeded to be wrong about almost everyone else for the rest of the game. If you're talking about the end of Doctor Who, then that was because it was the last day and I had a whole series of night actions and days of pondering night actions and day interactions to help me decide. Aside from those, I typically find a case I like from someone else and add to it if I can, or just sheep it if not (in Roulette, I actually thought I was just sheeping slOosh, but when people started saying I was confirmed I just kind of went with it). Now, on to you. Why are you questioning this stance regarding yourself this game when you didn't question it when I said the same thing about vayne in Roulette? Why is it only what I posted about you that makes me scummy? Why are you so defensive? | ||
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Isn't it 2 hours left? I hope I haven't completely screwed up the conversions :S Anyway, my "catchup" post is coming in a few minutes. | ||
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rayn pretty emotional about this. seems kinda invested. reaction really different from his one in roulette. Not sure if availability to play is a factor. Lazer's 6th post: Don't really understand why it's so scummy. I mean, he seems to make a series of assumptions that I probably wouldn't make, but I could see town doing it. Was hoping for something more compelling. Vayne's reaction to me: Eh, WoS seemed to feel that you were town in roulette, even though he kept pointing out how he could interpret your play as scummy. I trust his synopsis, because it was roughly in sync with what I felt in the middle of the game, after I played with you a while, and before I got all setup-crazy. Top scumread: rayn or stutters. They're kinda tied. gumshoe, regarding JJD: "Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" Was thinking of gumshoe as leaning town with some confusing/misguided reasoning, but this is really stretching for scumminess. I've seen plenty of townies say something like JDD did, and it was really only called into question when the person who said it was already scummy for other reasons. S0L: has a point about Lazer (in that what he said about rayn seems to come from a town perspective), but the point about rayn isn't entirely valid, imo. The thing about scum is that they know when they've been legit caught in a slip. And for me it's not entirely the fact that rayn instantly believed marv's claim, it's that he won't admit how much easier it would have been for marv to fakeclaim given that he didn't post his role name and presumably all of the millers have claimed if they were going to. S0L also makes some good points about stutters. rayn's read post: ugh, *now* he's unsure of marv? Regarding me: the people I commented on were the ones I'd given the most thought to at the time. Believe it or not, that post took me something like four hours to write, having to read through everything and analyze it. I didn't comment on people I hadn't given a lot of thought to, which included the most recent topics of discussion. This isn't anything new for me. I also never said I was good at reading WoS. I said he would probably reveal himself through his play, and as such wasn't really on my mind at the time. Finally, not adding anything to a case that I already find convincing isn't scummy. If I had anything to add, I would have said it earlier instead of saying I was leaning town on you. I intentionally avoided just repeating everything vivax and oats said, because it's a waste of time. I pointed out what convinced me, and moved on. As for WoS, he was completely off my radar, which isn't really a good sign in his case. Dove his filter *really* fast: D1 Roulette he was townie almost from the start. So far he's comparably a lurker, but his thoughts have been in line with my own many times throughout the thread. Possibly scum if his activity doesn't improve (anyone know if WoS lurks as scum?), but definitely not a lynch today imo. JJD is gonna need a filter dive as well as a reread of the cases on him, which I'm not doing at this exact moment. His responses to gumshoe's "implication post" make me lean townie on him, though. The rest is stuff that I've generally skimmed over because I know I'll have to go back and analyze it all together. JJD's JDD+gumshoe post: Pretty convincing. Why would town try to paint someone as scummy by pointing out something that they themselves would do in that situation? That's not town perspective. claiming names: Thought it looked like a good idea, but as JJD said, it would actually break the game, right? Stutters' case against me: in a following post. There's too much to respond to XD Followed by lots of stuff that I'm gonna have to read through again. Lemme know if you really want me to focus on something, apparently there's less time than I thought. Feeling most comfortable with a stutters/rayn lynch. | ||
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On July 02 2013 01:23 Stutters695 wrote: My vote on JJD was a straight sheep, I liked his case. I didn't have time to type up a case last night but this post is why I'd be ok seeing Fuba hang. 1) First, remember after the post Rayne jumped on me for he said I reminded him of Vayne in Roulette (scummy but town by PoE to pretty much everyone in the thread if you haven't read it). 2) First half is all summaries, meaningless since anyone reading the thread would know those events. Probably null, maybe slightly scummy. 3) His point on Oats is decent, and pretty much how I feel, nothing wrong there. 4) Vayne: null, nothing of value except a question that he's never here to follow up on. 5) Me: Says my actions are null to scummy but I remind him of a townie from the last game we played? Why is this Fuba? Scared to take a stance? 6) Vivax: only slight town yet he has nothing bad to say about him. Why only slight town? Again not very committal. 7) Marv: useless fluff 8) Rayne: Essentially agrees with Vivax on who is scum and why yet neglects any other posts from Rayn to show a scum mindset or any individual thought. 9) Essentially his entire post is trying to cover up the fact that all he is doing is agreeing with Vivax. Where is your usual analysis Fuba? 1) Explained this already. Your explanation is either mistaken (which is weird, because you accepted this reasoning during Roulette) or a misrepresentation. "Vayne from Roulette" for me is "lots of scum potential, but all things I've seen townies do". 2) No, many of those show my perspective on what happened. It was summary + analysis, which only seems reasonable since I was playing almost a day behind everyone else. 3) K. 4) Not scummy. 5) Already explained. And I haven't been here to take a stance except for the one that I did. Why interpreting what I've said differently this game compared to last game? 6) What does this even mean? If I had something significantly bad to say about him I'd say slight scum, not town at all. And I actually did say something bad about him in the paragraph before. It was weird that he pointed out marv being mia when marv said he was going to be missing shortly before that. Just wasn't bad enough to invalidate the good points. 7) True. Sorry for being eager to play with a friend again -_- 8) So the reasoning should be invalidated because rayn didn't scumslip in every one of his posts? I found him scummy for one post in roulette. How is this different? 9) First point, not true. Second, you quoted it. | ||
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On July 02 2013 04:59 Vivax wrote: WAIT WHAT Rereading fuba I just noticed this shit: In the same post he says Rayn didn't take the claim at face value, then he says I pointed it out and suddenly it's true? Wtf. This needs explanation. The writing of the first line and the writing in the last substantial paragraph happened about four hours apart. There were quite a few pages between those, and you presented a perspective I hadn't considered. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:41 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay fuba is being totaly super useless atm. He is here but chooses not to care about this lynch at all and instead goes on with a stupid fucking argument with stutters. I can kill this guy. rofl, it's because I think stutters is scum. My problem with the lynch is that I want to lynch rayn, which apparently isn't going to happen today, or stutters, who I'm surprised so many people have a town read on. It's not a "stupid fucking argument". Of course, if you didn't play in Roulette then you might not understand what I'm talking about, but there are contradictions between how he played then and how he's playing now that point towards him being scum. Unfortunately, as those contradictions center around his responses to me, others apparently don't find that compelling. So, I'm trying to look at the possible lynches, and figuring out who is most likely to flip scum. Problem is, most of the people we're discussing now are people I haven't taken a hard look at. So let me dive... | ||
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I'm fucking aware that I've been asked repeatedly for my reads on those two. I also have to read the entire fucking thread while constantly falling farther and farther behind. By the time I get thoughts set on the people I'm looking into, four more cases have sprung up, and I don't have the fucking time to look at them all. I've said I don't think WoS is a good lynch today, but haven't been able to go back through his filter carefully. No one responded when I asked if he's more lurky as scum, so as I see it at the moment, it's a lurker lynch when I feel strongly about rayn or stutters being scum. More stutters now. As for JJD, the only aspect of him that I've actually looked through was his interaction with gumshoe, where I find gumshoe scummier because of his insinuating, loaded questions. This would imply JJD is town, but I don't like making associative reads with unflipped players. Why is scum fuba more likely to simply not have reads on two people than town fuba? | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: Looks like you wanna lynch anyone that gets a majority over fuba or Lazermonkey tbh. First WoS, then Vayne, now me. What's contradictory? He's saying my quote was contradictory. | ||
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