To be honest I am not too familiar with Oats' meta but I think he did explain most of his reads. There are some weird and seemingly random reads as well but I feel like I can understand most of his line of reasoning.

What I didn't understand: Do you actually habe a town read on ShiaoPi? How?

Ange777

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June 21 2013 07:24 GMT

#304

I don't really have any good scum reads right now. I have a few players with a soft town read and some others marked down for further investigation like Coag. Why does it seem that people are giving him a free pass for posting trollish/unhelpful. Is there some particular meta I am missing?

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 07:28 GMT

#306

I don't agree with your read on ShiaoPi. He is capable of a lot more than being lost and while it might look like that to you I feel that he would have had enough time to stop being lost and give his opinion on the recent discussions.

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 07:36 GMT

#308

@DarthPunk:

What is your current stance on Oats? Still scummy which in Oats terms means nullish? Because I don't understand why Obvious is called scum for giving Oats a town read while Hapa gets away with the same thing.

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 12:59 GMT

#393

Sorry guys my internet connection is super unstable right now. I should get a better connection in the evening (EU timezone).

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 20:26 GMT

#510

I'm back. Any questions I should answer right now before I take my time to read the thread?

+ Show Spoiler +

Our internet provider decided to screw us over, we haven't had any internet connection since this morning. I hoped this would be solved by the time I got home but it seems to need some more time. In the mean time, I can only phone post so don't expect any long and elaborated wall of texts from me

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 20:40 GMT

#512

Sure, just give me some time.

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 21:57 GMT

#513

Okay, so first of all to answer your question:

@DarthPunk:

I have not played any recent games with ObviousOne, so I don't know why he would be scummy for doing the same as Hapa. Do you have any "proof" to show that a townie ObviousOne should not do this?

@rayn:

I didn't understand whether Oats was seriously referring to his own reasoning as bad. So after he clarified it, I felt like I could understand how he got his reads. Regarding Coag, I really don't like his filter but people seem to simply ignore him (even marv does not take him seriously and he is the target of Coag's lynch campaign) so I prefer to concentrate on people I have played with and whom I might actually read accurately on day 1.

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 22:14 GMT

#517

As I already mentioned, I am not a fan of Coag's posting. Disliking sloosh and Syl should be a given thing for anyone as well although they don't necessarily have to be scum at this stage.

Goodkarma's posting feels a bit off. And I don't like the fact that he has not commented ln anyone besides Oats and Shiao even after having been asked for his scumreads himself.

I remember DarthPunk being a very vocal player who would actively pursuit his scum targets and push for a lynch of them. Although he participated in the discussion, I feel like he was not very active in his own scum-hunting and scum-lynching. If ObviousOne is so scummy why not pursue it?

I am leaning town right now on Shiao. I believe he makes stupid entrance posts as both alignments (can't prove it now though cause I haven't had time to check his past games) and he gives a genuin vibe off when talking to goodkarma explaining himself. I have to admit his scumlist is shitty but I have more town reads than scum reads myself so I can understand that. He will have to post some updated reads soon though in order to not cross the scummy line.

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 22:23 GMT

#524

@Cora:

I would not call you scum yet but marv is right. You haven't really touched any subject besides Oats. How do you feel about goodkarma and ShiaoPi?

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 22:26 GMT

#526

@marv:

Who would you lynch right now?

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 22:32 GMT

#530

I understood his sentence that way. My bad if it was meant another way although the point still stands that he has not really talked about others besides Oats and that even though this alone does not make him scummy I would like to see some more input from him.

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 22:37 GMT

#531

@marv:

Wouldn't a scum Obvious be more conscious about promoting activity and failing it himself as a scum player?

Ange777

Germany1164 Posts

June 21 2013 22:50 GMT

#540

@marv: I just feel like I would be more careful about making any promises as scum because people will remember them and hold me to account for them and the least I would want is stand out badly. Right now I'd put Obvious in the same categorie as the other lurkers.

@Sloosh:

What part of Obvious' entry made you suspicious?