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PTP IV - Demon's Run
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Signups seem to be a bit slow, but I'm in no hurry - actually it's nice if the game starts next week./in | ||
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Also, last chance to recruit new players  | ||
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On June 21 2013 06:16 Dandel Ion wrote: is your lore character a oneshot poisoner? You can guess if I would think it's a powerful role in that case.. | ||
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Seems like there's a lot of off-topic banter so far, but it's a lot better than nothing. In fact, it's been good for (at least slight) town reads already. What actually bothers me are those players who A) don't interact with any of this harmless gossip B) react to it in a weird way. For example, WafeofShadow caught my attention. On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here. Let's see: Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does. Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet. Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say. Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them. So, who got my role? This "opening" post doesn't really contain anything of his own. It's just a reactionary post to Dandel Ion's trolling and the overall atmosphere of the thread. In addition, the post feels "crafted" in a way, kind of like a planned "okayish" entrance not worthy of attention. On June 22 2013 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: See I feel like I've unconsciously joined the tryhard camp because I was thinking this exact same thing. On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: /tryhard pants ##Vote: Acrofales kita. kita. He scum. Vote fer him. I get a really scummy feeling from all this "tryhard" self-praise. WaveofShadow keeps saying he's "tryhard", yet his posts are basically contentless and useless pieces of semi-okayish text. It's like he tries to convince people that he's actually an asset while not being one. When would town feel the inherent urge for such "reputation building"? Basically never. Mafia, on the other hand, would greatly benefit from staying out of pressure without helping at all. And that's what WaveofShadow has been doing so far. ##Vote WaveofShadow | ||
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On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote: For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense. No trolling for me I guess. We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies? LOL. This post *would* be scummy if it showed any actual effort to be safe from lynching. Now, it seems more like a clueless town post. On the other hand, might be 100% clueless Mafia... | ||
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On June 22 2013 17:51 gonzaw wrote: Well Xatalos, I'm usually all for early-game-banter-heuristics but I don't really find anything useful in today's early-game, other than getting some town reads. So yeah good luck with other stuff I guess. No comment on your WoS case. Oh good, seems you got my role then  I take it you don't find WaveofShadow scummy so far? Or..? (That's exactly my point by the way, these filler posts haven't been a perfect start, but it's dramatically better than nothing or bland introduction posts.) | ||
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On June 22 2013 18:09 Kurumi wrote: Take your stance, boy. I've been around here for quite some time. Also, putting my vote on Dandel for creating a terrible, spammy atmosphere and not trying to change that. Hm yeah, looking at your history, I doubt that you would start like that as Mafia. Too effortless and careless IMO. But really, voting for Dandel Ion because of spam? Granted it's not impossible that he's Mafia and spamming to "ruin the atmosphere".. I think it's safe to say that's not a typical way to play scum, especially this actively. And do you even think he's Mafia or just voting because he annoys you? | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote: They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? | ||
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On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote: Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing. I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi. Hmmmmm. That's pretty much a joke/throwaway vote from what I can see. Why is it alignment indicative? Other players have done similar stuff innumerable times before regardless of their alignment, especially during early D1. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote: Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say: Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed. Zephir, are you perhaps scum? In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that. Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game. Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes? I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig? | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote: This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following: 1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game) 2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead. An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that. Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around. Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot. Gotta check out ##fistbump now.. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote: Also, screw all of you. I'll go first. I wrote the role for The Doctor. Consider that I'm Mafia and got the role The Doctor. Now I can just shoot you and fakeclaim whatever I want later on. If you didn't reveal, there's no way to fakeclaim until you have died through some other reason. That's the problem. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:34 Acrofales wrote: Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum. Ha ha.. Rarely do I see stronger reasoning. | ||
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 What did it do? | ||
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On June 22 2013 22:22 Acrofales wrote: It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us: 1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too) 2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim 3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy. Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim. Points 2 and 3 are true, but IMO just not as valuable as making fakeclaiming more risky for Mafia. With reveals, everyone knows which role names are open for fakeclaiming. This helps Mafia significantly more than town. Everyone knows that a certain name is open for fakeclaiming, but it's only a *possibility* for fakeclaiming - there's no way to know if the claim is real or fake. Without reveals, Mafia can never know 100% if it's "safe" to fakeclaim a certain role name. There's always a more than 0% chance of being busted if a cornered Mafia needs to fakeclaim. And now if you're shot, for example, Mafia already have one solid role name to use for fakeclaiming with 0% chance of being caught. Of course it would look suspicious soon after your death, but the situation is vastly different at LYLO. | ||
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Acrofales, you mentioned (FOSed?) Kurumi for lamenting the thread. And me for "going in the other direction" (not lamenting it?). What about WaveofShadow? Way more scummy than Kurumi in my eyes. He lamented the thread AND forcefully added a "tryhard" attitude to himself without really backing it up... | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:54 Crossfire99 wrote: ##Pants: WaveofShadow I'm going to bed now. I'm gone all day tomorrow and doubt that I will be able to post. I should be around Sunday, though. Ugh. This is basically Crossfire99's whole contribution so far (not including his earlier one-liner). And it seems like it'll remain that way for the rest of D1. Not sure if such blatant lurking can even be called scummy, but it's at least definitely anti-town.. | ||
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On June 22 2013 23:48 Acrofales wrote: And, if you look at my filter. I am clearly not happy with the way WoS is playing. I even said so in my post about you... Oh, ok. "I had a similar feeling about WOS." I misread that to mean that you had a similar feeling about WOS in some previous game compared to me in this game. But, surely you have preferences (between Kurumi/WOS/me I guess)? That vote on strongandbig is just meaningless in every sense. And.. It feels like the thread has been pretty inactive today (even with 16 players total). Some town reads have been possible to make so far, but no strong scumreads. I'd rather lynch WaveofShadow than a hard lurker atm, but consider that there are lots of blue roles, everyone. If you just lurk, you make a big target for power usage (just a friendly reminder ). | ||
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Every player should keep that in mind while lurking (or spamming or doing something else unhelpful). | ||
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