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On May 30 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Vayne I know you're sort of new here, but no one is going to cheat; people don't get to be veteran mafia players on here by breaking the rules an ruining games for other people. Also you can 'swear you're town' all you want but it's never 100%. I guess it was probably BH's play in 'The Game' that brought this on? It's an interesting concept to be sure, but I'm with Palmar on this. If you want to discourage spamming to muck up the thread as a strategy then that can be dealt with through moderating; assuming that people just post for the hell of it or to up their post count seems absurd to me. I might personally play just as an exercise of improving my overall play and consolidating more, which I will admit I probably have a problem with. actually no, I bring this up because I was here for the first mafia games here and people cheated like crazy through PMs/IRC and stuff. | ||
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only post I see as scummy so far is firmtofu's. Dude is like explicitly telling the traitor what not to do in his first post so he doesn't get caught or something. Fishy as hell | ||
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On July 16 2013 13:41 Hapahauli wrote: Don't troll me. Normally I'd entertain you in the early game, but we have a limited posting to work on here. Masoning should be used for scum-hunting purposes, and not for town circle-jerking purposes. Discussing the game with one of your town-reads is only going to be useful if that town player is really, really good. However, it also is going to do nothing but affirm your town-read on someone as opposed to getting information out of players you need information from. This is absurd. Talking to someone wont' confirm or deny suspicious? How the hell else do you scum-hunt? You talk to someone in-thread to confirm/deny suspicions. PM's are extremely valuable because they're our only resource for unrestricted information. Buddying a town-read can be good sometimes, but he better alternative will usually be either a) pressuring someone or b) early-game meta-based reads. Shit happens. People get over-emotional and derp all the time - even the most level headed of us. I never assume competency. Why do you think PMs are a good thing? All they do is provide shady ways of communication for people to manipulate others. If I can't see it in the thread how the fuck am I supposed to figure out the game? | ||
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On July 16 2013 13:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you don't respond to people who mason you I'm probably going to push your lynch. But you bring up an excellent point. FirmTofu's post is seemingly designed to seem as helpful as possible (to the point that it looks pre-written) but I can't imagine town is very fixated on the traitor at all. FirmTofu, explain what you're thinking and was your post pre-written? Are you just a statistics/setup nerd that always looks at the game that way? I don't necessarily find it extra suspicious that you're describing the ideal play of the traitor, this is certainly something the traitor and everybody else probably knows, but it's the most substantial part of your initial post and it's an alarming fixation. Don't get me wrong, if for some strange fucking reason you want to mason me then go ahead and I will talk to you. I won't be using either of mine though. Could you direct me to a good town game of yours btw? never played with you so I want to see how you play | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 16 2013 13:43 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm not going to be masoning anyone just as a heads up. Don't like PMs, never have. only post I see as scummy so far is firmtofu's. Dude is like explicitly telling the traitor what not to do in his first post so he doesn't get caught or something. Fishy as hell[/QUOTE] You actually bring up a very good point. Although it was not my intention to direct the traitor's behavior, this is a potential indirect effect of my post. However, if the traitor avoids dropping clues about his alignment, then wouldn't this hurt mafia? Unless the mafia was more concerned about the traitor's life than one of their own, I think they would be willing to take the risk of having the traitor drop some clues for them to find. [QUOTE]On July 16 2013 13:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you don't respond to people who mason you I'm probably going to push your lynch. But you bring up an excellent point. FirmTofu's post is seemingly designed to seem as helpful as possible (to the point that it looks pre-written) but I can't imagine town is very fixated on the traitor at all. FirmTofu, explain what you're thinking and was your post pre-written? Are you just a statistics/setup nerd that always looks at the game that way? I don't necessarily find it extra suspicious that you're describing the ideal play of the traitor, this is certainly something the traitor and everybody else probably knows, but it's the most substantial part of your initial post and it's an alarming fixation. [/QUOTE] No, I mentioned in my previous post that it was not pre-written. [QUOTE]On July 16 2013 13:48 slOosh wrote: Hey guys. If people are unsure about how to mason, they should just avoid using it. Worst thing we can do is have all the discussion going on in PM land and nothing to go off of someone's alignment other than their mason's read on them. /QUOTE] While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all.[/QUOTE] Yea I'm not going to condemn you for 1 post but I will be thinking about it. We should avoid talking about the traitor at all costs because it only gives him a chance to slip something. in. Lets agree from this point to not bring up any traitor bullshit and he won't be able to do anything. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "Day 1 is a crapshoot so let's not talk about scumreads" you're acting very aggressively in this game so that seems like an odd thing to imply I'd say you are merely twisting my words which is usually a scummy trait. There's a difference between telling some one to avoid discussing the traitor and avoid discussing scumreads. A huge difference in fact. As to the rest of your fluff reasons for voting me, I stated before this game even started that I would have nothing to do with the PM part of this game, not alignment indicative at all. If you don't like my aggressive style then I guess we'll just have to avoid each other because that's how I am going to be playing this game. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I thought you were talking to me for calling you my scumread and not talking about the traitor. When you said "There is barely anything to go off of yet" aren't you implying that there isn't enough information for anyone to have good reads yet so it's not worth discussing? You're criticizing oats here passively for trying to push reads out of people which is a lot townier than what you are doing. Fair enough, I see how you could think that but it is incorrect. Simply shouting at people to post reads when only 5 people are posting so far is not townie in my opinion. All it does is let scum know what the town is thinking and makes it easier to manipulate the vote accordingly. what town SHOULD be doing is elaborating later in the day on concrete reads that scum can't easily sheep. With a vote this early you are just setting up scum to come out of the woodworks and agree with you to push for my mislynch and that worries me. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh I found his post, yeah he's not saying no one should mason nor is he saying he is refusing to mason which is a really dumb thing to do. Now you're defending Vayne by using misdirection/misinterpretation! Interesting! slo0sh - don't use mason if you don't know what you're doing. I disagree but there have been terrible consequences for this (coagulation claiming medic to me day 1 of Salem Mafia, me outing every single blue to the godfather in the same game, etc.) slo0sh is in the SAME post talking about how PMs are invaluable for forming scumhunting circles which is a townie way of looking at it. A single sentence in a single post being a "concerted effort to discourage PMing" is really REALLY misrepresenting what sloOsh is saying in a completely obvious way. kind of like how you are trying to misrepresent my posts. You one of those hypocrites when you play mafia? The most annoying kind of player. | ||
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On July 16 2013 14:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Wow literally all I said is that you refuse to mason which is exactly what you said. how is that misrepresenting!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????????? and how is that hypocritical? jesus. That is taking it to an extreme although I am not talking about that. I did say I would gladly talk to people that want to mason me, just that I won't be sending any outward masoning as I prefer to speak in the thread as opposed to privately. Nothing good has ever come out of it from what I've seen in PM games. Our definitions of mason circle are very different. On one hand we have a guy who is going to be very easily trusting of people through PMs yet drops his vote within seconds of the game starting. You don't see how wearing your heart on your sleeve in PM play could fuck us as town? You are pretty much hanging onto this notion of me refusing to use my masoning powers when I IMPLICITLY STATED BEFORE THE GAME STARTED that I hate using PMs. That is a horrible line of reasoning for town to have and I really hope you will reconsider, because looking through the town games you gave me it takes you a long time to formulate reads on people and vote, so the fact that you are voting me so quickly is alarming as fuck. | ||
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And to clear things up, I dont think DrH is scum. The only time I ever got into an argument with some one not town was prom in carnival and he was SK. Usually the people that get heated up with me are town so I am pretty satisfied with narrowing down my list so far. ##vote: Sloosh | ||
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With that said, it's weird that you trying to discredit him but not me. I don't see the motivation for your behavior as town. | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I didn't think I would have to say this, but using things outside the game to try to determine each others alignment is against the rules and the spirit of the game. An example would be trying to use a role PM to determine someones alignment. If someone tries doing this through PM let me know. This will not be a warning, it will result in a direct modkill and ban request. I don't tolerate unsportsmanlike conduct. If you have a doubt whether or not something is legitimate or not feel free to PM me, but I would err on the side of caution. If you have to question whether you can do it, you probably shouldn't be doing it. On May 30 2013 07:38 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know how I feel about the PMs being allowed, I know we uphold great values here but I feel like they usually just lead to cheating and such. yea looks like things don't change. If anyone asks me about my decision again I am lynching them on sight. On July 17 2013 08:37 strongandbig wrote: im saying that it looks like you chose wiggles as someone to be suspicious of and then added reasons later, because i dont think given his single post and the reasons you mention it would genuinely make you think he is scum. im saying u scum brah. @DrH if you get a chance can you tell me why im on your scum list? also i want to renew my poke on VA. I'm very much unsatisfied with the extent to which he's talked about setup and policy and not the more important things like reads and interactions. So VA A CHALLENGE can you write a case for why VE is either town or scum? Or replace VE with someone else if you want to but I want you to put some more reasoning into the thread. Not sure what you are looking for when I just gave a post with my reads so far? Seems just like pointless pressure to add bulk to your post. Only new development since my last post is I'm working on a townread for gumshoe, but after he fucked us in nuclear I can't be as sure. | ||
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Koshi's filter is full of logical fallacies and conveniently blending in with other people's reads if you can dissect his long posts. His first reads post Lists oats, VE, gumshoe, Malongo. People are convienently on Malongo and VE at this point but no one really on oats/gumshoe for the most part so even though he lays suspicion down on all of them he makes it clear that he wants to bandwagon onto the popular lynches first. This post pretty much spells out his play for the rest of the game, which scum often do. He regurgitates reasons other people have made on malongo and VE, then for his thoughts on oats and gumshoe simply calls them out on activity/posting? lol scummy. He then later gives gumshoe posts who is a scumread of his. Makes zero sense and that's usually a scumtell when you do illogical things that help the people you are suspicious of because you want to garner town trust (and you know they are town) Finishes all this with saying he has to go bed and casually leaves a useless vote on malongo who is in no real danger today. Unassociating himself with the flip today. Pretty sure Koshi is scum. | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:54 FirmTofu wrote: This is my 19th post. I need a few posts please. I am going to unvote tentatively and look through the filters of Oats, Ace, Kholly, Koshi, MZ, and Malongo. I will decide who to vote soon but this list, along with VE, are the primary group of people I'm looking at. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##give firmtofu 3 posts | ||
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