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I'm probably not the best person to say this given my posting nature, but the posting restriction seems really excessively restrictive.
Dr Who was a recent 12 player game and had a roughly 30 page day 1, and I don't think anyone in that game would argue it was spammy at all; it was also one of my more restrained games too and I had a little over 5 pages of filter, very little of which I would deem unnecessary - the lynch ended up being between 2 mafia, brought about by conversation and participation.
The fact of the matter is that people need to argue for their lynch and potentially pursuade ~20 other players; people change their mind, etc. etc. I find it hard to believe that, say, a 3 page filter is excessive in a day cycle.
EDIT: e.g. syllogism had ~50 posts on Day 1 in Fruity Mini Mafia, and I don't think anyone ever argued syllogism was a spammer.
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On June 05 2013 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:
normal mini started.
nuh uh, it was s&b joining
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Typical I replace in for someone easy to read. I have 15 posts total including this waste of a post, so 14 after. I've not been reading at all yet, so proper posts will come later this evening when I've had time to read and digest.
One post that I did read was FirmTofu's large post right at the start of the game. I'm fairly sure Firm did in fact lie at least once as town in his last newbie game, and defended his actions repeatedly in the obsQT of that game. I'm curious to know why the sudden change of heart about not lying as town.
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When's the lynch? I probably have a few posts to donate if someone has an emergency btw. Also, if anyone wants to mason me (a couple have so far) that'd be just swell.
I'm kinda annoyed Vivax is posting coherently and in detail, thought he was pretty scummy from his first long bollocks post, but apparently not. Would love me some Vivax lynching. Moving on.
I think VE is a bad lynch. Don't really see why he should be scum other than the normal reasons people jump all over his ass every game. Logs with Vivax seem to indicate some thought.
On July 18 2013 03:09 HiroPro wrote:
VE do you even realize that Malongo has never posted anything about sloosh?
In other news, I'm like 95% certain that sloosh is mafia.
95%? Don't throw out numbers if you're not gonna justify how you're THAT sure he's scum. so why?
I'm not 100% sure I buy Firm's reasoning for switching his stance on lying as town. I don't get why the fact it's a closed setup means that lying is suddenly totally awful, whereas in a semi-open setup you can lie repeatedly. Makes no sense. Further, I don't like how his suspicion of DrH went. By about page 16-17 (I just read the whole game in a row) I was thinking DrH looked really quite town, and Firm's continued suspicion of him seemed pretty off. I also don't like how he's graciously now calling DrH less suspect, without actually responding to DrH's case on him.
On July 18 2013 06:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I will be voting VE. He hasn't said anything to convince me that he isn't scum and many people share my sentiment of him. He is much more likely to get lynched than DrH and is a far better lynch than slOosh.
##Unvote:DrH
##Vote: VisceraEyes
*Why* is VE a far better lynch than slOosh? This is just saying things. I literally can't see the rationale for slOosh having played so townie (he hasn't) that he's a much worse lynch than VE.
Finally, if VE is right that Chez is smurfing as Kholly (I assume it was the edited out post Chez made?) then Kholly is actually a good lynch. I've no idea how to be certain enough to gamble the whole lynch though. If Kholly IS Chez, this kinda post is really bad:
On July 17 2013 06:34 kholly wrote:
First impressions:
DoctorHelvetica
VayneAuthority
Hapahauli
gumshoe
All the names there were the townier names in the thread at that point.
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DrH - I had noted down to talk to you about Oats in my notes, but then it seemed lynch was close so I didn't bother so it didn't seem important. I don't think he's mafia at the moment, I'm leaning town on him. He always does the inane "who's scum" thing as either alignment, the difference that I'm slowly picking up recently is that he actually shows some genuine thought as town; I have noted down that he actually provided decent insight into FirmTofu and the PM business regarding slOosh and vayne. I'd also say that Oats is prone to contradicting himself pretty regularly, and I see it as much less of a scumtell from him in particular than others.
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On July 18 2013 06:04 slOosh wrote:
Nothing. No real reads, no desire to engage me either to read me or get reads on other people, and he only started "pushing" Malongo after I sent this message. He is typically one of the most dominant thread presences in all his town games and only tends to lurk (if ever) in his scum games.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
This is some prime bullshit by the way slOosh. Anyone who knows VE also knows that in the past several months he's been significantly less active in general, in both his town and scum games.
What's particularly ridiculous is that you're calling him out for lurking (?) when this is a post-count restriction game and he's used up almost all his posts already.
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No, Hiro, you really haven't.
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So Kholly is Chez after all. I could happily lynch him.
Not sure about slOosh. I think he's being terrible with this VE thing but... arg.
But I'll probably vote anywhere to save VE if it came to that.
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On July 18 2013 07:40 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:49 HiroPro wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? but he is in afk lurker mode - he's barely posted and hasn't indicated a single person he finds suspicious. he's one of the most gifted town players in this game and massively struggles to put forth any effort as mafia. nobody has mentioned talking to him in PMs at all or even indicated any hint of conversation with him. It also seems quite unnatural that he still can't understand why people thought he was discouraging PM usage or why kushm4sta said he was nitpicking about that. What didn't you understand?
I don't understand where 95% comes from, like those are reasons to think he might be mafia, but to be that certain? slOosh was inactive/bad/whatever day 1 in Nomination Mafia, and (much like VE) has had a lot less time to post as of late, so I assume you've factored this in to your unusually high evaluation?
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On July 18 2013 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
hey instead of splitting the vote down the middle between sloosh and ve how about vote for firmtofu instead or at least can we even discuss it at all
he even backed off his accusations which is what everyone said a scum FT would do anyway so come on
I could be tempted to vote for Firm. I think.
Talk to me about Kholly. He's confirmed-Chez now and his reads have been the opposite of decent. Shit in fact. And Chezinu may be a troll, but he's not shit. Agree/disagree?
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How long until lynch?
Vivax, how do you feel about Chez? kush is a terrible lynch btw.
DrH, please don't ignore me, I don't wanna use my posts chasing people.
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I need to go for the night, I'm gonna vote Kholly/Chez as he's my best lead so far. All his reads have been silly, and the PMs gumshoe showed remind me immensely of the PMs scum-mason Chez sent to people in LIX. He's usually perceptive with his trolling when he's town, and here he's not.
##vote: kholly
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oh, er... ##Donate VE 2 posts or whatever I have spare.
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On July 18 2013 23:51 Ace wrote:
I voted for VE because I felt like it. Was going to unvote and thats why I asked if he really claimed. When I see that 2 people are silly enough to claim Day 1 I just resign the guy to his fate. We've been through this and he should know that move is bad for Town and we know he is capable of fake claiming. Add in rayne's claim and Scum know who is not the cop or doctor, and either can get lynched for lying in the future if Town. Bad plays but hey I'm not even reading the thread anyway.
Yes, you've been through it and he flipped town as well last time. You can keep blaming him but actually you don't ever learn yourself, you just repeat the same mantra and then the obvious happens. There's no point calling other people bad when you're unwilling to adapt yourself.
You've used up both your masons, Hiro?
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VE flipped town last game, so anyone who lynched him was wrong. It's that simple. I know you love justifying your townie lynches though, so you can go on thinking it's the right move if you like.
So would I, Hiro 
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I'll mason you gumshoe. I'd been pondering it anyway.
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I'm curious, Firm, why slOosh is now a solid scumread when yesterday, based on the same filter, you called him townie and said he was a much worse lynch than VE (before you decided VE was a bad lynch after all)
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On July 19 2013 18:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yamato77:
And here I thought I masoned an intelligent, rational player.
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
You're mafia
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Original Message From yamato77:
It's easy to say that after a lynch. I might have switched if I'd been there for his claim and shit but I was working.
But whatever, now it's even more important to scumhunt well. I don't know what the fuck Ace and Meapak are doing but between the both of them there's fuck all content produced. I knew I should have gone with my gut on MZ. He's been in the game since the beginning and hasn't even tried to actually play.
As for FT, dude, I'm not convinced. You've been tunneling him the whole day and it's gotten to a point where even if he is mafia, no one is listening to you. And again, even if he is mafia, there are still 4 others in the game alive, so it might be best to look at other people for a while. If it comes around tomorrow and he's still your strongest read, then maybe it's real.
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
wait, did you vote him? ugh it was relaly obvious he is town
Original Message From yamato77:
What the fuck?
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
if you vote for VE i'm pushing you to be vig shot tomorrow night
Original Message From yamato77:
er, scratch that. Oats calling me scum is not alignment indicative. He does that every game. He makes good points about VE in his posts and he's one of the most active players both in the thread and in PMs. I don't think an Oats case is going to be useful.
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
oh, and it's important that oatsmaster doesn't know i think he is scum for a while at least
can you tell me when/if you plan on making a constructive post so i can PM you a poisonpill case to add to it, i'm really trying hard not to hit post limit before the last few hours pre-lynch, obviously if you change anything i will bandwagon you hard
My conversations were even more brief, I thought he could well just be busy townie tbh.
kholly's voting is indeed quite suspicious, but wouldn't that only make him confirmed mafia if Sloosh was mafia? His voting seems in line with keeping Sloosh alive more than anything. I'm looking really hard at Sloosh tomorrow.
To be honest, I haven't dug too deep in the whole DrH - FT thing, but it looked like a couple townies tunneling to me. But he's so gung ho on it and you seem to agree, I guess I'll actually read into it better.
Original Message From marvellosity:
Vivax ended up looking better later in the thread. VE's lynch was a travesty and you should feel bad.
kholly almost confirmed mafia, FT looks likely mafia at this stage too.
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Original Message From yamato77:
I've come to completely ignore Vivax because of how badly I misread him. You don't think he's posting like that simply because of the post restrictions?
Original Message From marvellosity:
just got to that first vivax post. makes me want to kill him immediately. scum vivax loves long pointless posts of crap.
Original Message From yamato77:
If you are, I'm going to just resign myself as the unluckiest player of all time, lol.
Original Message From marvellosity:
now i wasted one of my masons on an obvtownie :p
i promise i'm not supposed to kill you this time
Original Message From yamato77:
Hapa masoned me at the start of the game. It was a pregame agreement, heh.
Original Message From marvellosity:
I replaced Hapa. Are we masoned? If so, did you mason me?
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On July 19 2013 18:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
yamato's PMs implicate FT even more. but yeah i guess my case was total shit anyway right? i hate tl towns day 1, actual cases get completely dismissed but get 3 idiots chirping about VE without saying anything logical and everyone sheeps it because it just clogs the thread
goodbye tofu
I would've voted FT yesterday, except you ignored me TWICE when I asked you about Kholly, and I got salty about it.
Will vote either kholly or FT, I'll just see how the thread goes really.
One of my mason partners thinks that yamato's red-flip makes slOosh look worse because yamato was defending slOosh on day 1 (?), but the impression i get from my logs is that yamato was looking to push slOosh tomorrow, so I dunno. That only makes sense (in slOosh-mafia land) if scum thought slOosh was already a liability at that stage, and I'm not sure at all that that's the case.
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