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JarJarDrinks
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JarJarDrinks
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I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies". Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me. ##vote: jrkirby | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 06 2013 02:20 jrkirby wrote: You don't think that's scummy behavior?Jarjar hasn't posted enough to get a good read off. But I don't think he's too serious. If he is, he needs a lot better justification than that. he said "Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me." I was just clarifying that I saw rainbow as scum then (and I'm still suspicious), it really isn't a solid read. That's not really what you said. Your exact quote was: "And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him." How can I not read as "I'm voting for someone that i think is just a bad townie"? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 06 2013 03:45 jrkirby wrote: Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like. Though he did that in the last game which had me fooled for quite a bit.What about you jarjar? What do you think about rainbows? or any other player for that matter? Because you've only talked about me so far. My turn for a question: Why did you unvote? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 06 2013 04:18 jrkirby wrote: I'm here now. Right now you're my top scumread so I'm focusing on you. Like every post you make looks more and more scummy to me. So now you were voting for him but it wasn't a serious vote?If you like people talking a lot, why have you been so quiet thus far? | ||
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First, Town Reads: Rainbows. OK, even if you don't think his posts have been pro-town, I don't get how anyone could think his blue claim was fake. It may have been silly of him to claim it @ that point, but it's still a town claim. That's like the worst possible role scum could claim. People actually think that a scummie is not only gonna claim the one role that can get him killed without a counterclaim, but also claim it when he wasn't really close to being lynched? Obzy. Obviously not as strong of a townread as Rainbows but not only is obzy trying to get people to talk and putting his opinions out there, but I find myself agreeing w/ alot of his analysis. I don't see anything wrong w/ his vote on Jampi since the case against him seemed pretty strong IMO. And now scum: jrkirby. (Surprised I know). The first post from kirby that made me suspicious:My original scumread post:OK, now that it's pretty certain that rainbows is town, this looks alot worse. Now, his very next post after I accuse him:He now backs off rainbows and says his read wasn't very strong. But it was strong enough to vote him @ the time, I didn't see anything happen in between his vote and unvote that would make him change his mind. But I guess he now has a hunch about someone, but he'll keep that to himself. So now a bunch of people start calling him out on just how scummy that statement is and telling him that he needs to just say who he suspects and it so happens to be, Jampi, the guy that everyone was talking about @ the time and is now confirmed town. BTW, here's his "reasoning" Then he goes ahead and posts his "Scummyness rating" post and aside from me, everyone falls is between 23% and 33%. Well what does that really tell us? In fact, I'm his top scum read and here's his verdict on me: "Kinda scummy. 45% scum". It's clearly a post designed to look like he's giving his opinion about people without really saying anything. I mean can you look @ this and figure out what his real opinion is on most of these people:Though he makes sure to tell me that he put out a list of his thoughts:I'm confused about this last statement. What reason would he have to think that I'd be suspicious of him posting against jampidampi @ this time? I never mentioned anything about him. He again points out how he posted all his reads. So now, a bunch of the votes move to jampi. No reason for him to pile on so he votes for me posting his case which mostly is that I'm a lurker and I voted for him: So now that it looks like jampi is gonna get hanged, he starts defending him:WTF? What changed? I can understand if he just said that he thought I was the better lynch, but "I think jampidampi is town."???? jampidampi was his 2nd highest scumread in his scum percentage indicator post. Which goes back to my point about how that post was pretty much garbage and just a way to make it look like he was posting his opinions. So now here's where he tries to set up obzy and rainbows(my 2 towreads):This is clearly someone that knows jampi is about to flip green and is trying to set up obzy and rainbows. There's no way he could speculate that much and be so sure that jampy is town. Especially since he was one of his top suspects earlier in the day. So now I see that he's changed his tune on his scumreads and now thinks rainbows is town because rainbows survived through the night. Because obviously the real vigilante would have killed him if he fake-claimed. But for some reason he thought that a scum rainbows never consider that something like that would happen. | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:50 Obzy wrote: K, I'll go through filters but I'm definately suspicious of people that voted for the obviously blue guy.If you have the time, could you give your thoughts on recent interactions, specifically if you have any insights regarding Ravens and/or Warent? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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Now that I'm caught up I wont need to spend nearly as much time reading and I'll have more time for analysis and discussion tomorrow. Hopefully jrkirby will respond by then as well. | ||
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And looking @ Ravens last few posts, I think he may also be scum and trying to distance himself from kirbs. Here's his response to my case against kirby: On April 09 2013 06:14 TheRavensName wrote: He's trying to make it seem like he isn't defending kirby by saying I'm making him doubt his read while @ the same time saying that I don't really have a good argument against him because of my main point. And he's trying to apply that same argument to rainbows even though it's not really similiar @ all. And kirbys defense of jampi while earlier naming him a suspect is the strongest point in my case against him, it's certainly not the only one.Well, sense I wasn't asked for an opinion on this I will state it: Its enough to make me doubt my good read I had on JRK, but I feel if the main basis for this is Why did he vote for Jampi over You, the same lgoci can be applied to rainbows when he didn't vote for NW when he thought for sure he was scum because "He didn't feel like it.", enough that I will leave my vote on rainbows... which I should probably finalize. ##Vote: Rainbows Warent looks pretty bad to me too. On day 1 he tries to twist rainbows words and (mafia 101) makes a big deal out nothing:Man is he harping on that one post that rainbows made. And what better way to try to solidify that case? Kill Saraf and have him flip green. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 09 2013 13:46 jrkirby wrote: 2 points here:The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him. - This is kirby pretty much straight up admitting that his percentage post that he kept referencing as was nothing more than fluff, designed to look like he was giving his reads on people - Even if he hadn't suspected jampi throughout the day, it would still be pretty suspicious that he defended him so hard. The fact that he named him as a suspect just makes it completely not believable | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 10 2013 00:21 Warent wrote: Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics.Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours. I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote: I assume you mean rainbows? And it wasn't the "first half of the first day" that I'm all that concerned with. You posted a whole case against me, Rainbows, and Ozby @ the end of the day and most of it was based on the fact that you believed jampy was gonna flip town (which you just knew would happen).Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? So now that Jampy has flipped town, somehow you now trust Rainbows and Ozby and even backed off of me some? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not getting on you for being suspicious of jampi. There'd be nothing wrong w/ that as he was acting pretty suspect. It's the fact that you went all out defending him, calling him town and then making a bunch of association cases based on the fact that he was gonna flip green. The fact that he was your 2nd biggest scumread earlier in the day, only makes it look worse. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 10 2013 07:47 jrkirby wrote: I gave reads on you, Warrent, Raven, Rainbows and Obzy. If actually have something to say about someone, I will. I wont just post a meaningless list of percentages.1) Jarjar has only ever said bad things about me and warent. He hasn't ever given his reads on everyone. 2) Jarjar has lurked quite a bit, especially day 1 and night 1. Can't argue there. This last weekend was rough for me and I just couldn't get online. What can I do?3) He doesn't even seem to mind that we lynched the wrong dude day 1. explain.4) First, his case against me was me voting rainbows; I have already explained why this is weak: no one had much information at that point, and rainbows was my highest scumread, didn't last too long. The case was you voting rainbows while saying you thought he was just a bad townie. Big difference. When you say "his case against me was me voting rainbows" you're misrepresenting my case.5) Then he hates me for my FOS on jampi which I never act upon. I never claimed it was particularly founded suspicion, just suspicion. Everyone has suspicions like this, it's just townies choose not to act on them until there's evidence. I just wanted people to know I was suspicious, and maybe bait a little scumslip if I was right. Again you're misrepresenting what I said. I already said your FOS on jampi was fine. It was the defending him afterwards and the association case based on him turning town that you've since abandoned, I had a problem with. 6) Then he AFKs while we lynch jampi. You already used this one. See #2. 7) Never takes his vote off me, and never votes anyone else. You are scum. I have other scumreads. But none as strong as you. Why would I move my vote for one of my lesser reads. Especially when you have several votes on you?8) Never defends himself, always on the offensive. Like maybe he has a couple scumbuddies to help him if things get too rough. (Maybe this one's a stretch) Nobody has really made a case against me. I guess this counts so consider this post my defense.9)he says: "Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like." But has less pages than anyone else alive (I'm pretty sure). (Kinda same as 2) That was my read on Rainbows very early. Now I strongly read him as town for reasons having nothing to do w/ you.10) He doesn't offer any insights as to why things happen, no logical posts saying why (for example) saraf was shot. Pretty sure I specificly said I thought saraf was shot to make rainbows look bad.I might have more on him if he actually said anything significant. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 10 2013 08:22 Obzy wrote: Raven and Warrent are my other scum reads. But I want to lynch Kirby today. If it came down to either Raven or Warrent and anyone other than Kirby then I'd vote for them.Hi Jarjar! What do you think about lynching Ravens instead of kirby? I don't feel comfortable lynching kirby, even though I am likely being a damn fool and throwing the game cause of my feelings. Trusting and all that. Whatever. Setting aside my idiocy, I think you are playing similarly to your last game, and even though #fuckmeta, I don't want to jump onto you from kirby. The other active members right now, I won't vote for. So if I won't vote for any of them, might as find someone else, huh. -_- Obzy, have you noticed that kirby hasn't responded to the biggest point againt him: On April 10 2013 08:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: All he keeps repeating is that he never really suspected jampi. Which has nothing to do with why he defended him so hard and called him town. And he hasn't explained why he was #2 in his percentage list.I already said your FOS on jampi was fine. It was the defending him afterwards and the association case based on him turning town that you've since abandoned, I had a problem with. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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Obzy, why would u claim right now? DOn't get that @ all. | ||
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Also, I've been rereading abunch since alot of my reads were based on Jkirby flipping red. I pretty much feel like I'm back @ square one so I'm trying to figure stuff out. I'm not really sure what I can do to get people not to lynch me tomorrow since jrkirby condemmed me before his death and you're doing the same and surely gonna die. But I'm trying to figure it out. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 11 2013 15:48 Moloch wrote: There is a downside:We'd probably lose Rainbows tonight anyway, so I guess even that isn't a downside. Depends on how confident we are in who we lynch today. I'm pretty certain that Warrent is scum. If everyone else is close to 100%, we should lynch him today and here's why: Rainbows hasn't said anything but I'm gonna assume he was roleblocked again last night. If we hit scum today then there's a 33% chance that we get the roleblocker. Then Rainbow can try to get a shot off tonight. If he hits, then he buys us a mislynch cause we'd be @ 4/1. If he misses, then we're @ 3/2 and still can win. If he gets blocked then we're @ 4/2 and can vote no lynch tomorrow instead of today. I think it's worth it because I'm quite certain Warrent is bad. I think EVERYONE should chime in on this before we decide. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:38 Warent wrote: Who am I working with? Besides Ravens you mean? Since his last post might as well said "I'm gonna bus Warrent unless I think I can get Rainbows Lynched" | ||
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