Hi all!

Might as well talk about setup/policy stuff a bit. It should go without saying, but we need to use all our time available before dueling. If you think someone is mafia, make your case, let the guy defend themselves, see what the rest of town thinks, don't just insta-duel.

Couple of vaguely anecdotal thing to support this I guess... as you probably all know, I'm pretty confident in my ability to catch mafia. 36 hours into Fruity Mafia just finished, I really thought Hopeless1der was mafia, so I made my case and voted, and I was confident. But Hopeless came back with a defence that was so unexpected it made me consider him town. People need to be given this chance! As a general warning about impulsiveness, those who watched LIX would have noticed that at some point Vivax was convinced I was mafia on day 2 and was voting for me despite the red-check. With Duel he could easily have dueled me and it would have been a disaster (town mayor vs cop).

So, if you're convinced you're right and the rest of town is convinced you're not... you gotta listen.

There was one other thing I had a vague idea about. Maybe if we can decide on a good target or two, we should get the two 'scummiest' dudes to duel each other. Seems like that might be a decent idea anyway.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 18:50 GMT

#102

On February 25 2013 03:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hello everyone!

I feel like Marv and Snarfs made some good points (besides Snarfs' soft town claim). I feel that any rash plays are just going to hurt town and that we should use all of the time available to come to a neat and organized decision, which is most often the right one.

I think getting the two scummiest dudes to duel each other is a good idea but if they are both scum I think they would be reluctant to do so. Any plans revolving around this idea just generally invite a lot of WIFOM, which I would like to stay away from as well.

Please don't use the word WIFOM when you don't know how to apply it. Makes me shudder reading your last paragraph tbh.

If two scum are reluctant, then they're virtually mafia-claiming anyway. So that's not how it would go down at all.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 20:03 GMT

#107

yeah I'll talk about it more after dinner. I don't like Corazon already.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 21:20 GMT

#113

On February 25 2013 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Besides, if I'm pushing someone to get lynched, I have zero problem dueling them and proving they are mafia. If you're uncomfortable, as the accuser of a person, with confronting the person you're accusing in a duel, then we are going to have problems.

This way people are directly responsible for their accusations. If you're going to call someone mafia, you should go against him and prove it. Picking two scummy looking players just makes it that much easier for mafia to fake scum hunting. If you hit mafia with the lynch using my method, you have a ton of information to lynch his buddies with.

you're being rather egotistical.

This game isn't about one player proving one other player is mafia, there are 15 of us. It's a collective decision. It makes far more sense to have the 2 scummiest people dueling it out, so town can choose. It goes back to my anecdote from Fruity earlier. Someone, or a bunch of people, can think someone is mafia, but it's possible that in fact the guy is not mafia, and may help prove so with his defence, or with his own cases and play.

If you have the two scummiest in the lynch, then this leaves room for error and play. It's much more unlikely that the two scummiest will both absolve themselves, rather than just one.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 21:46 GMT

#121

It's not insanely difficult to enforce. It should be not too hard to find at least the group of people we want to lynch into, and then give a deadline/ultimatum for 2 of them to duel, or if there's 1 clear frontrunner, give a couple of people the choice of whether they want to duel with the frontrunner.

Actually the information you'll get from how people deal with this while under suspicion is probably far greater than any information you'll get from just having one clear townie dueling with someone suspicious. Whether ppl duel like they're asked, or go afk, how the suspects deal with the whole dueling situation - there's a whole mine of good shit there.

Further, I overwhelmingly back my judgement on who mafia are and are not over yours, yamato, so the last thing I need is you running off playing the hero.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 21:48 GMT

#123

On February 25 2013 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:

@ Marv

Show nested quote +

Can you expand on Cora?

basically a bunch of wishy washy objections to what I proposed earlier, with no real substance.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 21:55 GMT

#127

What are you on about? It's incredibly rare town unanimously agrees on a lynch, so you're going to have candidates who should be dueling each other. As the time gets nearer, it's town's job to work out which of them they think should be dueling. It takes organisation on town's part, something I'm certainly capable of imparting. Anyone can duel at any time if it comes down to it, it doesn't need "people like you" with your finger on the trigger.

We're not searching, individually, for two people we want to lynch, we're seeking the absolute scummiest. Out of that naturally you'll get good candidates for duelling.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 21:59 GMT

#132

Why do you think town will? As far as I can see you're the one in the thread being retarded so far, so if it does it'll be because of people like you.

Like I said, the last thing town needs is someone like you playing the hero.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 22:04 GMT

#135

See LIX, town did whatever I told them to because I had the right answers.

If you go into the game thinking town is going to fuck up, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't see any reason why things should 'go bad', and your attitude is unnecessarily negative.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 22:10 GMT

#140

Being unnecessarily negative isn't realistic.

And good town != sheepfest. There are plenty of good towns, and I'll tell you for free that none of these good towns had guys in them telling the rest of town things were gonna get fucked up.

Anyway, i'm done with you for now.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 22:17 GMT

#143

yamato, no-one's going to let the time run out at the end of the day. So you're standing up all high and mighty solving a problem that doesn't exist.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 22:23 GMT

#146

So you think me, hapa, acro etc. will sit here twiddling our thumbs and no-lynch??

i'm presuming the answer is no, in which case my previous post still applies.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 22:28 GMT

#148

... you don't understand the plan at all then. but never mind.

marvellosity

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February 24 2013 22:39 GMT

#150

no, no. need more lemon pledge.

also other ppl need to play.

marvellosity

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February 25 2013 00:12 GMT

#162

On February 25 2013 09:08 Acrofales wrote:
I disagree with Iamp. I have no clue about yamato's meta, but being incredibly dumb about a pro-town policy without proposing a viable, useful, alternative is not a town trait. Yamato's participation in the thread so far has been to try to disrupt Marv's policy. That is not in town's best interest and the whole policy discussion so far has been all the dumber for it.

@Marv: why do you feel Cora is scummy for opposing your policy, yet have said nothing about Yamato?

Hi Acro. yamato is very stubborn, so it's kinda what I expect of him as town. Probably he won't be able to keep it up if he's mafia.

Corazon like I said opposed it very wishy washily, with incorrect references of WIFOM and it being hard to enforce blablabla. At least yamato was clear on what he wanted, corazon just kinda opposed it and left nothing better out there.