EPTOn January 23 2013 14:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come on Syllo, in :D
Come on Syllo, in :D
You do realise its actually Syllogism
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You do realise its actually Syllogism | ||
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Lolz the irony, | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:17 Mocsta wrote: Your wrong Wrong because setup speculation is scum talk Djo (you know that personally!!) and mason is a town role !!! | ||
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On January 31 2013 22:20 Toadesstern wrote: I had to replace xsksc out for personal reasons. Mocsta is taking his spot. Howdy all. (1) I have not been reading this game on the side so will need to catch up. (literally from page 1) All I am aware of is my role PM + the flips on the OP. (2) The deadline is 7am my time; and its currently 10pm my time. Will try my best to catch up by 7am but 80pages might be a stretch. I have no idea what cycle we are in either. OK, off to reading. | ||
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On January 31 2013 22:45 Promethelax wrote: Moc: c'mon and show me how townie you are or possibly how scummy you are, I'll accept either. You replace into this game with a green check on you though, if you use that to do nothing I will policy lynch you forever <3. Not that it means anything, but that green check aligns with my role PM. OK, now off to reading. | ||
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So far the person I think is the scummiest is Djo. His reasons for following up on xsksc were terrible (e.g. definition of a case) and then the "case" against VE was terrible, like really terrible. I usually enjoy reading Djodref cases, they have really good presentation and hes constantly attempting to update the mechanisms for delivery; these on the other hand are completely lack lustre, and the thought process is minimal and felt contrived. Now I haven't read anything about a vig claim etc, so obviously this is subject to change. I have some thoughts on other players too, but need to see how the relationships develop post-Night1. | ||
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Thats some hardcore tunneling right there. Lets think about this. Being gf is PERMISSION to infiltrate town and spew false leads OR sit back and lutk hoping fot a check. Now from what i have gathered so far. Xsksc has done neither. Vivax hasnt liked him from the start due to phrasing. Djo didnt like him due to grammar. Do u guys have a legitimate reason to tjink scummy of this chap or simply considering him because u dont like him. This game isnt popularity contest. Its about huntin scum. Btw. If im scum i woulda had a nice synopsis waiting for me in the qt. Instead i have to read 90 fucking pages in 24hrs so i can get us off this stupid mislynch. Cut me some slack here. It is a lot to read | ||
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Please satisfy my curiosity. If we are indeed in a game with 1 Miller + 2 Vig; what are the % chances of this being rolled in C9++/this game setup options) I was under the impression 2 Vigs in one game is harder to achieve than 1 vig, 1 dt? Correct? | ||
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If there are more chances for VCC than VVVC (i.e. 1vig, 1 dt >> 2vig, 1 dt); how are the "probabilities not so different"? And call me out as newbie or scum or whatever if you want, but I dont see why you claiming vig makes you confirmed town. AFAIK, if I wasnt cop checked, i COULD claim vig too (before prome did) and then what.. im confirmed town too. Either way, im still catching up; and work is an absolute bitch today too. Will answer iamp question to me when I read the thread, prob aiming to be finished in say 12hrs. | ||
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Im at work, i cant read the thread and make notes; so i havent read single post between night1 and when i joined in. If you want to lynch for for that whatever; im starting to get pissed everyone is expecting a read, when I clearly said I had to start this game from p1; and joined at fuckn 11pm with a 7am deadline. If you want a smart-arse answer, my strongest town read is me; I know my role pm; and its green as per my check. As for an additional two, Im just goign to have to get back to you when i get back to you. | ||
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I need the following to be stated now however. I can now understand the doubts concerning me. Let me make this clear, I have no qualms with anyone for having wanted to lynch me due to the past 3 or so (real life) days. Xsksc content completely dropped off the planet, and it is reasonable to assume it was scum motivated lurking. I ask you give me a chance to prove my role; and also to consider Hapa activity dropped off the face of the planet as well prior to being lynched. Lastly, take this as WIFOM if you want, but consider one of my first posts when entering the game (without reading it yet) On January 31 2013 22:51 Mocsta wrote: On January 31 2013 22:45 Promethelax wrote: Moc: c'mon and show me how townie you are or possibly how scummy you are, I'll accept either. You replace into this game with a green check on you though, if you use that to do nothing I will policy lynch you forever <3. Not that it means anything, but that green check aligns with my role PM. Compare the above to the below: Obviously I still need to prove my innocence by actions, not WIFOM. Reads to follow below. | ||
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Yamato Some have referenced Yamato poor play the last time we was Miller. I am unfamiliar with those games, so will judge the play based on what we have currently. Overall, disappointing. I know Yamato as a pig-headed active player when town, and have not seen that in this game. For my first read, he has been pretty non-existent. I also read his last minute action to derail the Jay lynch as (potentially) scum motivated. Due to the Miller Confirmed Town status, it would be pretty easy for Yamato to sneak in, shit up the thread, cause confusion over scum votes in the lynch and walk away unscathed due to Miller claim. I dont really see any town benefits/motivations to why he came in the way he did. I would like Yamato response to his actions during the Day2 lynch; based on what we have currently i will support his lynch. Vivax I have a town read on this guy. By his behaviour/actions, and the DT check. Vivax was semi-actively pursuing me as a target Night1; and suddenly drops it. I can also understand the shock of receiving the green check, and hence the confirmation bias to insinuate Godfather. Xsksc subsequent inactivity only confounded matters. iamperfection Frankly, I do not like his style, and read him as null maybe leaning town. I didnt read too much into initiating the Thrawn bandwagon either. I think it started off as a light comment, and then due to continued inactivity, became the bandwagon it did. HOWEVER, considering the vets (Prome/WBG/SS etc) read iamperfection as confirmed town and know him better than I do, I am willing to consider him as leaning town or maybe probably. If you think its a cop out, then fuck you; 3 vets (2 confirmed town) in a 13 player game saying 1 guy is town, probably means that guy is town. I am comfortable admitting this as a heuristic. Promethelax I liked him Day1; and felt he really disappeared Day2, which was really making me doubt him. But knowing about the Night2 vig hit, I can def see him as confirmed vigilante. The way he responded regarding Djodref claim was really clever, and tried to bait as much information as possible. Also the way he revealed the hit, was proper vigilante style. (i.e last minute of night). If there is only one vig, I would bet my VT life on prome being that guy. Hence confirmed town. Djodref As he said, he is not mafia. I am also leaning away from town. His vig claim was suboptimal, and most importantly he was asking others for who to hit, on the proviso of "being pro-town to stimulate discussion". I thought the overall concept of the vig was to take out lurkers or hard to reads. The fact that he didnt care who was hit, is a nice way to absolve him of guilt if a townie was hit (as was the case). I would love to put more time to Djodref to firm up my opinion. Ultimately I have to agree with Vivax: I think town best interest is to lynch mafia today, and deal with Djodref the following day. JieXian I dont know where I stand with him. I dont like his filter and would need a filter dive to get a better feel. From what I recall he hasnt contributed much to this game, and I think his ?sole? case was on Jay. His main good point to me is that he was second on the Thrawn bandawgon, is that he asked Djo to be accountable for the NK shot. But I guess that is actually null. If one of Djo targets was mafia, or Jx; he had every reason to make this request. | ||
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The reason I dont want to lay a vote for him yet is for 3 reasons (1) Its still early into Day3, and there is more opportunity to probe around. I find early day bandwagons also have a habit of self-destructing (especially when the argument.. but no one opposed the lynch is unleashed) (2) I have just read 80 or so pages, in about 7 hrs. My mind is still digesting everything I have read. The above is my current gut feel, and some aspects may change when I start filter diving & (3) I would really like Yamato feedback on why he chose to enter the Day2 lynch the way he did (i.e. disruptive play etc etc) | ||
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I can understand why you would like them addressed; however - As stated in the paragraph I wrote for you; scum is the priority for today. You are not scum; thus, discussions revolving you are not pertinent at this stage. Again, as specified above, my vote is leaning towards Yamato, I want to hear his input to my commentary first though. | ||
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The above still stands true (not worth exploring) | ||
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(1) Im not against the concept of two vigis. I am more so stating, if there was one vigi; Prom >>> Djodref. For me though, based on the thread, I am not going to auto-assume Djodref is town. i think it was prom that summed it up succinctly. The actions don't align strongly with town motivations. Something is odd. To pinpoint that, I would have to filter dive, and that just isnt a valuable use of time this cycle. (2) (This is the last I will speak of SK for this cycle) I haven't played SK, but I *assume* theory wise, it would have been a good idea not to shoot someone every night; In my head I thought the strength of an SK is stealth? I would treat it almost as a godfather role and try to be a confirmed town, but not a town leader (to avoid mafia KP). (3) With JX, i agree my read is conflicted - I admitted that in the read too. But I do not think I attributed any of his play as town motivated? I called it null (at best). The problem i have with JX is.. reading through the thread (in short duration) nothing of him sticks out. Hes simply not memorable. In my opinion, many of the posts he has made were fluff; or defending himself (weakly). I cant recall him pushing anything of value; and his ?sole? case I can remember was a case on Jay. (Checked filter, was actually Vivax). The case was shite. If I was to sum his key contribution, it was his joke regarding the Kruger effect On January 31 2013 01:40 JieXian wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect But does this infer being scum? If we didnt have so many confirmed town, i would call JX null. And would do a deep filter dive. However, with so many confirmed town, and having to have two scum left (and confident on Yamato as one); JX is my next scummiest read, and by default becomes leaning scum. I am comfortable with this as a heuristic. | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:30 iamperfection wrote: i find it hilarious that moc doesn't like my style. That post exemplifies my thoughts to a tee hahha Just because I dont like your style doesnt mean I cant see you as town.. just makes it harder for me to have a strong read. Take it with a grain of salt, no one respects my reads anyways. | ||
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the intent of the post is pretty clear if u doubt something specific let me know so i can address it to you personally | ||
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