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On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Mayor-Chezinu does not necessarily mean serious Chezinu. "I will be serious if mayor" Chezinu does not necessarily mean serious mayor Chezinu. I wanna see a serious chezinu. If you want to vote him because you want him to have bodyguards and to have an extra vote, then by all means. But I don't think anyone should actually assume that Chezinu being mayor will mean anything about the way he plays. | ||
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In front of you are three snowmen. The leftmost snowman has a carrot nose. The right most snowman has a stick for a nose. The middle snowman has a red foam clown nose for a nose. If you had a wish from a genie that allowed you turn any one of the snowmen into a dog (insert a different animal if you're not a dog person), which snowman would you choose to turn into a dog and why? | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:04 Toadesstern wrote: Small thing, but I do like thisAgain, I'd much rather have someone I'm able to read properly early on as mayor to shut up those people and not even have that discussion, even if it happens to be a mislynch. | ||
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On January 20 2013 14:20 Djodref wrote: How do I feel about the mayoral election is...vague. I feel like we should elect a mayor. I'd prefer to elect someone whose judgment and reads I trust, and especially someone who I think needs protecting. There's not really much to "feel" about the election. Nor is there a need to say that, because everyone should be looking for the same qualities in their mayoral vote.@ austin How do you feel about this mayoral election ? Why did you avoid the subject so far ? Would you run a campaign ? Who would you vote for if you had to choose right now and why ? I would...be mayor if I got voted mayor, but I don't see much need to campaign. If people trust me and want to keep me alive, great, and I'd take it. Overall, I kind of like the idea of electing someone NOT campaigning, or considering it. If someone doesn't campaign and has to get votes naturally, then town votes will gravitate towards the sort of person we really want for mayor. However, I'm not sure about that, because a campaign-focused election means scum has to campaign for mayor to win, be visible, whereas a non-campaign election means scum might have to vote for their scumbuddy to get a scum-mayor and provide reasoning for doing so, perhaps out themselves for later. I don't think that matters much, because (1) any scum running for mayor should be someone they feel can handle the position, and won't get outed just from being visible; and (2) don't think scum are going to go nuts connecting themselves on D1 just to get the mayor position. There's my ramble, enjoy. If I had to vote for someone RIGHT NOW, I'd vote toad or myself. Myself because I'm town and trust myself, so it's the only mayor I could be CERTAIN would be town. Toad because I've found some of his comments townie, and based on LV (I think it was LV) I know that he can be a useful townie when he has mason capabilities. OH HEY, IMPORTANT THING. Since masons choose someone each cycle and then can't mason that person again, one quality I'm SPECIFICALLY looking for in a mayor is someone I trust in mason circles. I have seen toad plot within a mason circle, which makes me think he'd be a good mayor as he can set plans in motion for LATER given only a single cycle with masons (unless I'm giving him too much credit). Mayor gets the lynch today, a vote, the bodyguards, but will also be a key person for the mason roles in this game, both town and mafia. Needs to be able to read the people who mason him, perhaps set plans/traps in motion to figure out which masons were town/mafia, as well as just generally use being the other half of most mason pairs well. | ||
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On January 21 2013 00:06 Mocsta wrote: austinmcc, your reason for voting yourself are the same reasons all 22 of us can regurgitate. So the point is moot. By elimination, your best judgement so far is Toad. Noted. @Austinmcc I would like your take on Vivax/JieXian i.e. Do you support the pressure/vote campaign Vivax instigated against JieXian?; Regardless of whether you support the vote campaign, can the action that Vivax took be attributed to town motive? & Please share your current top scum read, so that I can get a feel for your judgement in general. Of course my reasons are the same as anyone's. Outside of weird corner cases, the only people with different reasons are scum, and they're not gonna go about pointing themselves out. But it's also part of a full answer to the question, anyone asked who they'd vote for, if they're actually looking at everyone, should be including themselves. As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) - On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Look at that post.Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? ##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. Things that I like in that post, although small:
Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of. Vivax...is just a mishmash of things atm. He's asserting himself, which I'm not entirely used to from vivax of either alignment. The start to his JieXian hunt is something i DO NOT like though: [B]On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote: "Four people have expressed concerns about my activity" --> Some other dude called out 1 of those 4 --> "I like that read" without giving any reason WHY he likes it, or adding any of his own thoughts --> I'd like to lynch that dudeImportant matters Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. (And just now, Oatsmaster, but he actually used his brain). Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian. That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read. Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be! That's NOT the reasoning I want from a mayor. Sandro made a read based on a single post. Which is fine. But Vivax, with no further comment, is okay lynching JieXian off that read and PUSHING for a JieXian lynch off that read. Mild distaste for that interaction. Some of his other responses are townie, but overall I find his reasons for initially trying to drum up interest in JX (he's now JX) to be meh, and his later explanation: [B]On January 20 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote: to be meh. What is JX trying to achieve (there are a bunch of people with crappy single posts, not just JX), and ... JX didn't scumhunt in his first post? JX actively did more with his post (pulling up axle post from newbie game, asking question) than a couple other players have. That's...something. Vivax just doesn't feel like he's fully considering that post, which I dislike. That said, I don't think vivax is superscummy or should be lynched, I often find him scummy when he's town.1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer? 2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking. 3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that? I see 4 things: → getting gonzaw elected → defending Axle → drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote. → Joking with Toad about something from earlier games. He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting. | ||
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stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now. debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, poof. I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage. Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else. | ||
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On January 21 2013 04:39 DearestSnot wrote: Any reason to believe he's the Magical Disappearing Scumprplhz?Hi. Is there anyone currently running on the platform of lynching prplhz? As far as I could tell, the answer to that is no. Since it seems no one is interested in that, let me propose that we vote someone into mayor who will lynch prplhz today. I'm willing to be that person if need be. | ||
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On January 20 2013 11:14 austinmcc wrote: Axle, you are standing in the middle of a snow-covered field. In front of you are three snowmen. The leftmost snowman has a carrot nose. The right most snowman has a stick for a nose. The middle snowman has a red foam clown nose for a nose. If you had a wish from a genie that allowed you turn any one of the snowmen into a dog (insert a different animal if you're not a dog person), which snowman would you choose to turn into a dog and why? | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:47 FiveTouch wrote: Just to make sure I've got this bit entirely correct, do you also find JX scummy, or just Oats here?That's because I find what Oats said to be the scummiest thing in the thread at the time, and I still feel that way. Given this is a mayoral election day, there is no risk whatsoever of a fast bandwagon on to JieXian, so his defence of him was completely unwarranted. Why did Oats not want any pressure on JieXian? Oats wasn't even defending his play, rather the fact there was pressure on him. It's scummy. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:20 Vivax wrote: The times that I've seen Chezinu give reads, they've been QUITE good. He also, in my mind, has some other qualities that I want in a mayor - someone that scum is going to have a hard time misleading and someone who can deal with being masoned well. Why would you want to vote for Chezinu? That is something people that don't care about town would do. I wouldn't put my faith into a guy who speaks in riddles. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:32 FiveTouch wrote: I don't like writing someone off as unreadable. It's so lazy to just say "Chez hard to read and silly" and completely ignore the "Chez often has very, very good reads" aspect.This post makes no sense. The fact that it's extremely hard to get a confident town-read on Chezinu so early is precisely why it's ok to write him off as a candidate. He's got enough upside if he's town and in the mayor position that it's worth considering him and trying to read him. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote: Why on earth are those the two options? I'm in favor of NEITHER of those guys for mayor.Good to know. So, are you in favour of a Chez or a DearestSnot mayor now? Chez hasn't been around too much, I don't have a solid town read on him, therefore I don't want to vote him. Bugs isn't doing anything for me atm. The guys he wants to kill aren't the guys I'm most interested in killing, but I don't have much in the way of thoughts on him beyond that. Toad is still my non-me candidate of choice, with me being my me candidate of choice, I think. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:50 FiveTouch wrote: Nope, unless I should make something up.Chezinu rarely, if ever, starts coming up with his good reads during the first cycle. And we are electing a mayor in the first cycle. So yes, I am writing him off. Unless you have some hitherto unheard of method of reading Chezinu on day 1 that you would like to share with us? On January 21 2013 09:52 Vivax wrote: It wasn't directed at you, but I appreciate that you answered austin. I find it concerning that you first defend a Chezinu election and then say you wouldn't vote for him. I thought you would be pushing your favourite candidate besides yourself. Read closer. I give my reasoning why I think he should be a candidate, and on what conditions I think he's someone to vote for. Those conditions haven't been met, therefore he's not someone I want to vote for atm. And yes, as FT notes, they may be conditions that simply can't be met, maybe you can't get a read on Chez D1, but oh well, still gonna try. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:52 AxleGreaser wrote: [Stuff that has nothing to do with dogs and snowmen]  | ||
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