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slOosh
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Xatalos doesn't actually scumhunt. He asks strings of pointless questions, and brings up things and then doesn't provide any conclusions. On January 13 2013 11:07 Xatalos wrote: Why are you even playing this game if you don't want to put in effort? I can't imagine scum playing like that, but that's still not an excuse to play anti-town. What is the purpose behind this post? First, it doesn't even make sense. Not being able to imagine scum playing like that has nothing to do with an excuse to play anti-town. Perhaps he thinks kush is town and wants him to shape up? Well then why does he contradict himself when he called out jay for doing the exact same thing? On January 13 2013 09:27 Xatalos wrote: That smilie doesn't really mean anything, but rather look at jay's post before it. That's just too aggressive for my taste. Did anyone else react like that to Kushm4sta's (trollish) posting? Why would it be scummy to draw attention without any need? Even the way he does it is strange. It doesn't directly say, 'hey jay is making out things that aren't there, jay is scummy for doing so'. It's more of an invitation for people to consider jay scummy without actually calling him scummy. On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote: What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? Here is a really awkward defense of supersoft. A totally unjustified soft defense of someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it. Stands in stark contrast to finding jay's post 'too aggressive for his taste'. On January 13 2013 12:01 Xatalos wrote: Well, take a look at my previous game. I was lynched because I couldn't get a solid scumread on anyone. I'm definitely trying my best, but it's this early. If I had to lynch someone at this spot, it would be Jay. This is the first time some pressure is applied on him. How does he handle it? It is a totally apologetic tone, mixed in with some appeasement (which contrasts to him "calling out jay" later on, even though nothing has really changed, not to mention that he doesn't mention at all jay's posts on supersoft, or supersoft's scummy second entrance). Scum apologize and make themselves seem smaller than they are (cf Ver's guide). ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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slOosh
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On January 13 2013 14:38 thrawn2112 wrote: you said enough second guessing, what were your other thoughts about before deciding on xatalos? "Maybe Xatalos is really really weird town" was my conflicting thought. | ||
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slOosh
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On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding Xatalos His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. I think the post you are thinking of is directed at kush (based on the next post in his filter). | ||
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slOosh
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On January 13 2013 15:24 thrawn2112 wrote: any comments on other stuff that's happened in the thread? what do you think about hopeless, grush, super, zentor, and ruuch? super pulled some total bs with his second entry, which happened to coincide when you started your pressure on Xatalos. It's really dangerous to make such connections but the case stands well enough alone that it's something worth considering. ruuch is totally new, and all he has to do is chime in with his most current thoughts now and again and we will all get along. Going after him right now makes no sense to me. I wrote down somewhere hopeless was just echoing something someone else already said, and put down "acting useless". I like grush. Mr Zentor is ok too. And by that I mean, unless someone shows me Xatalos and super is probably not scum, I won't be looking into these guys. | ||
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slOosh
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On January 13 2013 15:31 Hapahauli wrote: Yes that's what I said no? Xatalos direct a post towards Kush here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#280 At which point MrZ confronted him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#282 At which point Xatalos backed down: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 I'm looking at these, where he says "should have quoted this post". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#289 On that note I also like jay on his ability to read and point out the ambiguity. | ||
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slOosh
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On January 13 2013 15:48 Hapahauli wrote: Also SloOsh, is the reason you think supersoft is scum only because of association, or is there something else? I don't like his case on MrZ, but I'm unsure if that's scum motivated or ignorant-townie motivated. I never make reads based on associations, and no one ever should. I think he is scum because of the stupid way he presented the whole thing. He an old school player, and from the little I've seen he is good. Not sure what you mean by ignorant. | ||
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slOosh
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On January 14 2013 04:40 thrawn2112 wrote: that case on xatalos would be VERY easy to make, and it comes at an opportunistic time to make such a case. and apart from that, sloosh doesn't have opinions on other stuff happening in the thread, much like yourself How does making an easy case devoid it of it's truth value, and what makes it opportunistic, and how do these things make me scum? If I think Xatalos is scum why would I bother commenting on other stuff, especially since no one is actually presenting and pushing for scum? | ||
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slOosh
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On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote: And as to the case on Xatalos, have you looked at his play in Paranoia? (SloOsh you get to answer this one as well). Hapa I'll tell you what I think after the answer to this. I looked at his play from Paranoia and a bunch of other ones too, and this game's play looked nothing like his play in former games, either town or scum, which was the cause of the "second guessing" comment I started with. Do you think his meta indicates something about his alignment, particularly his drastic change in playstyle? | ||
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slOosh
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On January 14 2013 09:55 Promethelax wrote: what drastic change in playstyle are we talking about here SloOsh? Explain it to me like you want me to understand it. In this game he waffles around and takes forever to come to a conclusion that jay is scum when British and Paranoia show that he is capable of making conclusions and scum reads. Newbie XV shows that he is comfortable with playing scum (opposed to lurking / timidity that you often see), openly making calls and reads. It's doesn't matter if you don't see a drastic change in playstyle because my case doesn't use meta, but it does matter if you think something about his meta is alignment telling but that is on your side and not mine to guess. So out with it. | ||
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On January 14 2013 12:44 supersoft wrote: sloosh seriously. idc about zentors lists. he probably just forgot you. i won't speculate about it. just ask him and not me. since youre here. do you think its okay to critisize me for voting you because youre a vet and simultaniously votes me? Are you talking about me or someone else? | ||
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slOosh
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I don't like how his stance changes regards to Xatalos. On January 14 2013 06:59 Promethelax wrote: SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present. On January 14 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote: hapa, aren't you pressuring weak lynch bait in Xat and Ru? Speaking of players who have vanished for a while what about SloOsh? Why isn't he on your list? On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote: And as to the case on Xatalos, have you looked at his play in Paranoia? (SloOsh you get to answer this one as well). Hapa I'll tell you what I think after the answer to this. On January 14 2013 10:36 Promethelax wrote: 'my side' of this issue is the same as yours. I find Xata scummy, I jsut wanted to get better reads on both you and hapa and your targeting fo Xat was a great way to do it. In paranoia Xat is wishy washy and terrible but he is also very try-hard, as he was in british. He I'm not getting that same vibe here and I am happy to lynch him today. My short list of lynchables (like lunchables but with more murder) are Xatalos, Ruuch, SuperSoft and another dude. We'll talk about him later. The first post comes before Xatalos' defense of my case. He says my case is weak, which means his objective read on Xatalos at that point is null / town. The 2nd post reinforces this as he calls Xatalos weak lynch bait, i.e. a scummy looking townie that is easy for scum to push. The third post positions itself for a defense of Xatalos. You don't support a lynch by presenting supporting evidence to the primary pushers like that. Final post he decides to find Xatalos scummy. On meta basis alone, even though the read on this game was town? Nothing indicates that he has a super strong town read on Hapa and highly values Hapa's meta read over his own read. But he somehow ends on the Xatalos is scummy side of the wagon. It seems incredibly opportunistic. Call slOosh's case weak when everyone else does, call Xatalos scum when everyone else does. What do you guys think? | ||
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On January 14 2013 15:09 supersoft wrote: what? bullshit. wbg said that later in the game. Prom cannot look in the future. ah your comment is completely useless... This is no explanation, this is useless. Cannot work with that. What i wanted you to see is that prom didn't carefully read me. If he had carefully read me, he would know that I am a fairly experienced player since i already posted it in the thread. That wouldnt give us much intel about his alignment though. That was the first explanation. The second explanation is, that he doesn't really care about vets and no vets, because he wants to lynch me not because i accused a vet but because he's scum and i am on the right track about him and maybe 1-2 more players. http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/YwLMP7ia2me Post 125. I assumed Prom got the idea from that because, as you said, WBG's comment comes later. Either that or he and WBG is scum buddies and they shared information. There's nothing we can do to determine how he knows this, so I think it's null. I do however find his Xatalos stance switching is scummy. What do you think of that? | ||
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