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My stance on policy lynches is and has been that they are ok but I will push scum reads over policy lynches. That is, finding scum is the objective of the game, so if I have to choose between a lurker and someone who to me seems scummy, I am voting for the scummy person. But really, don't lurk. On lying though, I see no reason for a towny to lie, so don't. If I catch someone lying about something it will raise my suspicion on them by a lot. That kind of ties in with the "what would mafia do thing", my answer to that is they would try to blend in, so it is imperative that we as town generate meaningful discussion and that EVERYONE contributes (no one lurks) so that we have plenty of information to work with for everyone and we make it difficult for the scum to blend in. This is my 4th game, first one was maria mini mafia, then I think it was newbie mini XXXI and XXXII. Won 1 as town (my first game -_-), then lost the next two, once being scum and then being town. So far the only thing that has caught my attention is that threesr is defending lurking. It doesn't give me a scum read on him though because I think scum would be hesitant to say something like that because allowing for people to just lurk creates a very bad town atmosphere, so I don't think scum would come in and so "o hey lurking is fine by me". As I said before though, DON'T LURK, LURKING BAD. | ||
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I don't think that is enough to make a case though, because that can be said for just about everyone. I think the best thing to do would be to see if later on he actually contributes, or if he tries to do like you said and posts walls of text that add nothing. His post doesn't make me lean one way or the other on him, will judge based on his future contributions. | ||
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Can you give us more reason on your vote on threesr. I assume it is because he said he is ok with lurking but you don't specifically say anywhere. If that is why (which atm I assume it is), then do you think that him saying this is scummy? Because earlier I expressed my feelings that even though I disagree with him about lurking I don't think scum would come in the thread and do that. | ||
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I think people have brought up good points all around but I don't see any solid cases yet and I think a lot of the current cases being thrown around are just OMGUS votes and pointing out silly things ;/. I will say that what I am looking at right now is the votes on threesr, because I feel threesr would be the easiest target for scum to go after at the moment, and right now there are three votes on him, my bet is there is scum in that group. | ||
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My biggest issue is that he has given Cor a town read out of nowhere, and a strong town read at that. I have no idea how he got this read, because a look at Cor's posting does not leave me with "strongest town read in the game right now", I get a slight scum read at best. Now when trying to think of why he would make this statement, and hard defend Cor the only explanation that makes sense to me is that he is scum and is setting himself up to get some brownie points of of a mislynch on a townie. To elaborate a bit, the only way that Spag could KNOW if someone is town or not is if he is scum, and given that he has given Cor a strong town read, when absolutely nothing justifies that is,to me, an impossible move for town to make. But now think if he is scum. As scum, he sees that the entire thread is on Cor and now has 2 options, he can hop on the wagon, or he can defend someone who he knows is going to flip town to set himself up for day 2. At this point it is interesting to note that Spag looked to be setting himself up to join the wagon on Cor, because earlier he was agreeing that Cor was scum and stated he would be fine with voting for him, but then hit seems he decided on option 2 (defending someone he knows will flip town) and out of NOWHERE throws it out there that Cor is a strong town read for him (lol?) @Spag How did you come about getting a strong town read on Cor. You have done no explaining thus far on how you came do this decision, and I find that odd since as a towny the natural stance is to be suspicious of everything, so I fail to see how you can give someone a strong town read from nothing. ##Vote: Spaghetticus | ||
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On December 21 2012 05:57 Chromatically wrote: @Kick/Aqua FatChunk. Go. I have a stronger read on Spag than on FC. While I am not the hugest fan of his posting I still feel I need to see more from FC to be able to make a solid read one way or the other, but on Spag he has given enough for me to make what I think is a scum read on him as outlined in my earlier post. Right now Spag is my top scum read so I am going to stick with that. | ||
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His votes are a big issue with me and I read them as scummy right now because to me it seems SHZ does not care who gets lynched (it is typical of mafia to not care who gets lynched, as long as it is town getting lynched), look at his vote posts: On December 19 2012 18:33 shz wrote: So if we need another wagon to jump, or not, to jump on: ##Vote: Mocsta Why? He/She did start a discussion, but I don't think that was all that useful, other than proving him being active and establish an alibi. Questions like the seafood one waste time and distract from substantial discussion. Also he/she is quite fast on "reading" someone as Town. Additionally he/she asked repeatedly about Mafia strategies. This is no way a waterproof case, but I think its a start and something we could work with. On December 20 2012 13:17 shz wrote: I would have done it tomorrow but I can do it now I guess. ##Unvote ##Vote cDgCorazon On December 21 2012 07:25 shz wrote: It seems like we have the strongest case against Spag at the moment. I will still keepmy eye on Cora, but for now: ##unvote ##Vote Spaghetticus @Aqua: If you did not argue that, then its all good. Of course rational not equals town, but its not equal mafia either. Its neutral. He takes every chance to hop on whatever bandwagon is popular at the moment, providing no reason for being on any of them. Given this I think he is the person I am most suspicious of at the moment and want to see some real reads and commitment, not wishy-washy posts that don't commit himself to anything. @SHZ Why did you jump on every bandwagon without giving any reasons at all for why you think those players are scummy? Do you have any current scum reads that you would be willing to push instead of sheeping? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 00:04 Kickstart wrote: So I took a look through some filters and the person who stuck out most to me was SHZ. Just a quick lookthrough of his posts shows you that he been very wishy-washy on everything and committed to absolutely nothing. In my mind there are only 2 options for this sort of play, 1 is a timid towny who is unsure of themselves, 2 is scum trying to leave themselves options to try and work their way out of bad commitments. Since I believe this is SHZ's first game I am somewhat inclined to think that he is just a timid towny, but then I look at his voting and his justification behind them (read: NONE) and it seems he doesn't care at all about who gets lynched. Townys should worry very much about who gets lynched because they do not want to lynch town, even first time players know this and typically show that they care about who gets lynched. His votes are a big issue with me and I read them as scummy right now because to me it seems SHZ does not care who gets lynched (it is typical of mafia to not care who gets lynched, as long as it is town getting lynched), look at his vote posts: He takes every chance to hop on whatever bandwagon is popular at the moment, providing no reason for being on any of them. Given this I think he is the person I am most suspicious of at the moment and want to see some real reads and commitment, not wishy-washy posts that don't commit himself to anything. @SHZ Why did you jump on every bandwagon without giving any reasons at all for why you think those players are scummy? Do you have any current scum reads that you would be willing to push instead of sheeping? I also reiterated this read and stated that I felt I would be kept around because I am easy lurker lynch-bait here: On December 22 2012 06:36 Kickstart wrote: If you didn't expect that sort of post from me than you don't know how I normally post ^^. But I can't blame you because I have been relatively inactive thus far. I have to leave and won't be back before night actions but I already gave my top read of shz for everyone to see, and I doubt I will be NKd because no one seems to have a clear read on me and I am easy lurker lynch-bait for mafia to role with at this point, so chances are I will be here day 2. Will be back later tonight and see what happened. And here cakepie is, saying he has a null read on me, listing tons of other slight scum reads, and throwing a vote on me. Not sure what he is doing, but the fact that he is voting me instead of one of his listed scum reads is suspicious. | ||
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And here is where you "basically claim blue": On December 22 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote: Well crap. That is a shame. GG mocsta. I was roleblocked. With Mocsta's flip I feel that it is thus more likely that this comes from Robert Bellarmine (scum RB) than Martin Luther (town RB) I will now continue my intended end-of-night dump, then go grab breakfast before coming back to all the end-of-night dumps that have been going up. You claim you were roleblocked, meaning you have a role. Funny how after this you make a post where you say "Why would a blue role call attention to himself and hint at his role? It is too dangerous a move to me." When you did it yourself (if your attempt at a claim is to be believed anyways). | ||
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In regards to a lynch on threesr since that seems to be the topic atm. I said earlier that I didn't think his remarks on lurking were scummy, but then he proceeds to lurk all game and has really provided nothing (I know coming from me it is a bit ironic, but I have at least given out some reads and feel that I have given original thoughts and justification behind my votes thus far, but threesr has done literally nothing). The fact that he is lurking isn't necessarily scummy, but I think the fact that he feels justified in doing it and that he has basically told us "well this is what I am going to do all game" is scummy. All that said I still have a scum read on SHZ and at this point would vote for him over threesr, but like I said above, I am waiting to see more and my mind could change. | ||
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So a short answer to your question, I don't like his posting today because he lists scum reads but votes someone else and doesn't go after the people he listed and he spends the entirety of the day talking about role-blocks and defending himself. | ||
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##Vote: shz | ||
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In my defence a bit, I did vote spag, but I gave original reasons for it and made new points, I was also the first to bring up SHZ and the fact that he looks scummy. ##Vote: SHZ | ||
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