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austinmcc
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On November 29 2012 03:54 debears wrote: Yeah I'd say he's just a chicken without a head that happens to find gold once in a while Good Sir, I am writing to inquire as to where one might purchase such a gold-finding chicken. The missus and I have been training gold-finding ferrets and gold-finding cod for a decade now, with no success to be shown for our efforts. Warmest Regards, austinmcc | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:21 debears wrote: @Marv Do you have links to your 3 games before rockband mini? From start date closest to rockband moving backwards Mini - GSL Open Mini - NMMIII Themed - Death Note Normal - Mad Men No guarantees on getting all, but those are games from just before rockband mini | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote: Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Your votes, in particular, aren't very important. On November 30 2012 10:21 debears wrote: Dandel is discrediting himself. You say it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. However, it doesn't make any more sense from a scum perspective. ##Vote Dandel @Dandel So you're going to discredit yourself amongst these players by calling yourself a noob? That doesn't make much sense from a town perspective. Also, were you being sarcastic earlier in how serious you were saying we shouldn't joke and stuff? On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote: Then you quickly drop a new vote on DoYouHas. Because...you don't think that you would sheep Ace because he's Ace. DoYouHas does NOT want people sheeping Ace based on reputation. You want the same, but vote him because he said that?That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote ##Vote DoYouHas What exactly is your reasoning for voting DoYouHas? | ||
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On November 30 2012 11:08 marvellosity wrote: Simply untrue. Scum have plenty to gain by being ignored. Just take a gander in Ver's guide for an example (Misder possibly) He's not asking to be ignored. This is the chain in which Dandel Ion speaks: On November 30 2012 09:15 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm a noob too, and you already lynched me  So inconsistant He says he's a noob. Discrediting was DoYouHas's word I believe, but I'd argue that (1) There can be benefits to scum in lurking (2) What Dandel Ion did (making a post calling himself a noob) =/= lurking To some extent, calling yourself a noob implies that you're going to sit back and let other people do the heavy lifting. But I don't really attribute any kind of purpose to Dandel Ion's post like that, and I don't think it makes sense for scum to point out newness, because iirc every newbie guide says apologies/hiding behind newness = scum. tl;dr I think there's a difference between lurking/being passive/playing to be ignored and Dandel Ion's post. | ||
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If both players you voted for are "scummy as shit," why move your vote? | ||
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On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote: Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it. ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that. So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote: I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving. The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine? Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not. | ||
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On December 01 2012 01:04 marvellosity wrote: austin, what would you say the difference between Zealos and BH was? BH has been overtly trolly. Apart from posting links, he's just made comments that don't matter and posted a kanye video. Couple things: Zealos voted, traded dumb comments with the guy he voted, and unvoted. At the very least, that shows more ... participation in the game than BH. Whereas BH dropped a dumb vote on someone, Zealos unvoted his dumb vote, showing that it wasn't pure trolling, to some extent he cared where it was. That's a major difference for me, he's trolling but ... caring about the game in a way that BH isn't right now. Also, during one of the few discussions that have happened in thread, Zealos adds his thoughts about asking questions and how it helps find mafia. He constructs a real post, with words and thoughts, but when you read it there's just not much there. It's minor advice that doesn't do anything for the thread, and he doesn't actually do anything with it. | ||
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On December 01 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote: Alright, what I expected  For how long would BH's trolliness have to continue before you started regarding it with suspicion (if at all)? My gut reaction was to say that he's been gone a bit, sleeping/not here/whatever, and that if he returns purely trolling, then I'd be worried, but if he returns with anything else than I won't. Which is stupid, and telegraphs how I'll read him, and blah blah. As I typed that, I realize I actually don't care about his trolling. If he's scum, he'll eventually get killed for it because other players will mind, and if he only trolls then he has no control over the game, can't really influence anything. Which is fine by me. If he's town and trolling, I trust him to eventually un-troll. So while I'd prefer a helpful BH, I don't think I'm actually going to be suspicious of him if he continues trolling, unless we're getting mid-late game and I've got townreads on a lot of the remaining players. | ||
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On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote: Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm. Some of what he's posted has been rubbish. But he actively participated and generated rubbish, when something dumb led to people wanting to lynch him, he responded to that with more dumb stuff. Gut read on that is mildly townie, because he shows no desire to shape up after seeing that his play may get him some votes. He followed up on his CONFIDENCE question to debears. I have no idea what that speech is, but the fact that he followed up again shows me that he's participating and maybe not just for show. All in all, his play currently makes me want to skip his posts and not read them, but doesn't make me want to lynch him. Mild town read, but a lot of that is stemming from it being D1 so there isn't oodles to go on. | ||
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On December 01 2012 01:41 Lazermonkey wrote: But with this logic wouldn't trolly BH get killed as well. That's kinda bad imo. Assuming he is town that is ; ) Yes, trolly BH would eventually get killed. But trolly BH knows that. I assume he'll stop at some point before that happens. So I really don't care if his trolliness continues. If he's town, either he stops, or maybe takes a shot from scum (trying to get rid of a good player before that player contributes anything useful), and so in my mind he either becomes useful or the problem of reading him solves itself. | ||
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I personally find doyouhas's posts legible and pretty clear about what he's thinking. That said, his couple posts are mainly focused on debears/ace, and while his last post ends with On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote: You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on. he doesn't actually "move on." At least not to anywhere we can see. Do you have (tee hee) an overall feel of doyouhas at the moment? Moving on from doyouhas, how are you feeling about debears? I find his justifications for voting DoYouHas poor, and I disagree with his interpretation of DoYouHas's thoughts on Ace...pretty hard. That alone isn't scummy, but he's very focused in on this one topic, yet drops a top gun picture in the middle of his discussion, and never follows up after DoYouHas posts that he's moving on but never moves on. If DoYouHas saying he's moving on but not doing so sticks in my head as something interesting, I don't know why it's not doing the same for debears, especially as his vote is still on DYH. Overall, I'm lightly scummy on debears because of the DYH stuff. Disclaimer, I've only read debears posts in obs qts, and found him to be generally interested in the entirety of the game, what everyone was doing. Some of my read is him not...trying to figure out the game here in the same way I've seen him post in obs qts, but obs and in game are a bit different. | ||
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On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote: Ausin, answer this please I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good. Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping? Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep See where I'm going? Other plays have good reputations, yes. However, I think you're overblowing the extent to which DYH was focused on this whole sheeping thing. He mentions Ace. You ask why he's focused on Ace. He responds with what I feel to be a clear and logical comment - he wants to explain his feelings (awww) and doesn't want people sheeping Ace. I'm fine with that. In my mind, your response and vote, where you note that you wouldn't sheep someone based on reputation, twists and adds too much importance to what he said. You asked a question; he responded clearly. You may disagree with him, you may think he's worried about something he shouldn't be worried about, but I don't find his response scummy. Like...whether or not anyone sheeps anyone because of reputation, who cares? (That's not an endorsement of your position, I don't find it SCUMMY to be worried about that, just don't think it's worth worrying over) I think the entire train of thought is a waste of our time. We have some vets. We have some newer faces. Who cares? To me, anyone focused in on that is just posting for the sake of having a filter, isn't hunting scum, and isn't helping themselves look townie. | ||
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On December 01 2012 02:11 marvellosity wrote: Where did he say this? He said he was paranoid of Ace's scum abilities. On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote: Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote: So this particular bit of my intentions doesn't apply to you personally, congratulations. Have you honestly never been in a game where someone's opinion was given more weight simply because of their reputation? I have, and I hate it. I can't comprehend how you construe my somewhat subtle attempt at working against that as scummy. | ||
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Were DYH's comments scummy as shit? Do DYH's comments justify swapping a vote from another player you find scummy as shit, when that vote is only 25 minutes or so old? | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right? Everyone scared or something? Ace care to share with the class? I actually wasn't interested by it. Not currently inclined to vote marv. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:14 marvellosity wrote: care to commentate on what you provoked with me and debears? I still don't think debears has good reasons for his vote, no matter how many times he references vets or DYH trying to undermine Ace, or anything like that. Nothing...new generated from him, so right now he's still on the scummy side of things for me. As to you...mild town read based on your pursuit of this and your dislike of his votes. There's not a lot of substance yet that's come out of this though. You're pursuing something I sort of did last night, and he's answering, so far, in more or less the same way as he has been. It's more of the same, and so nothing has dropped out of the conversation yet that really triggers a reaction from me. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:21 Zealos wrote: Dandel Ion (now DI) said he'd be gone because it's Friday.Because explaining it could potentially ruin his "plan" which is pretty likely to fail anyway, but we may as well give him the benefit of the doubt with 27ish hours left of the day. So we're waiting for a response from someone who explicitly said he wouldn't be here. While it may partially ruin debears' ability to confirm whether DI is doing whatever debears thinks DI is doing, I'm more interested in debears right now than what DI may or may not have been doing yesterday. I'd rather debears explain what he's thinking, not drag his heels and have more time to respond, and be up front about his thoughts. DI can confirm later or not. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:24 marvellosity wrote: I don't really agree it's more of the same. He's making post-hoc explanations that contradict his earlier ones, which he had not done previously. I'm curious you don't pick up on this. "made little sense for a scum to do it also" and "DI doing blah blah does make sense from a scum perspective" aren't as super-contradictory to me. The rest of his posting today, the stuff concerning vets, sheeping, Ace, all that jazz, are more of the same to me. I see less contradiction and more harping on the same stuff that I didn't like before. | ||
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On December 01 2012 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Reading what I've missed y'all, hopefully there's more than discussing whether or not people are going to sheep Ace. :/ Beyond debears and Ace's marv vote, did anything, or the lack of some things, interest you? | ||
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