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It was a long read but not much much happening apart from the usual talks about policy lynch and try to dig scum/town tells where there could be no discussion at all (ie : Rad's joke). For my first post I would like to FoS Djodref. One thing that did flash while reading his filter are those two posts : On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. On November 03 2012 12:35 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Your joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general. But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it. Djodref used this same tactics two games ago when trying to blend in as scum. Really innocently tells us he is re-reading the thread while actually not doing it (at least in his last scum game he did not and kept putting similar posts to these two here). There is no real reason for town to emphasize on that fact. While for mafia this is important. They do not need to scumhunt so the need of re-reading and re-reading the thread is not needed.. #FoS Djodref | ||
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However Djodref is the only one both saying he is against it and in the same post stating name of potential lurkers so he can actually put focus on them. On November 03 2012 10:43 Djodref wrote: @ Rad The only potential lurkers that we have in this game are daoud and maybe Obzy (but it doesn't look like it). My problem with your policy is that it is directed towards these players in this game. What we have to be wary of is active lurking (refer to the mafiaQT in the previous game) and people blending in. Do you see anyone else possibly lurking ? On November 03 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: @ Rad That's my problem with a lurker policy this game, I think that it can be used only against daoud or Obzy (maybe sylverfire). I think it would be much better to call directly these players for lurking rather agreeing on a policy which could be a perfect excuse for the mafia to push a mislynch on them, assuming that they are town. It's a small game and if you have a problem with the activity level of anyone, you can call them on it, no need for a policy. | ||
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On November 03 2012 14:05 debears wrote: ##Vote Dau0d Just so you lurkers know I'm serious @Debears You are being an active player, maybe too active and all over all arguments same as last game for me to get a read out of it. I will consider this more as a neutral townie-ish read but at least even if you were not town you do contribute and it will be easier to catch you later on. What I don't like about your post is to create noise in the voting thread. You are creating some activity by voting, unvoting, revoting, etc. I don't like that. You could have just FoSed me, and I would have agreed with you on that. I would have explained as well that the timezone differences do not help, but I will do my best to participate as much as I can. I will not post just for the sake of posting or fluffing though... | ||
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On November 03 2012 22:01 Djodref wrote: Definition of casting suspicion: suggest that something or someone might be suspect I had to look up in the dictionary to be sure ^^ This coupled to the fact that his reasons to vote debears are insufficient in my eyes (you vote someone for some facts, not because he is fluffy without showing where he is fluffy) made sylverfire my top scumread right now. I see your point Djodref but I don't think because someone else votes another one for being a "poor" contirbutor and sees that as a scum read would make himself scum. He is trying to put pressure on Debears in order to get him to maybe post less and better content. | ||
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I am not defending him, i am saying that there is more scumtell in the way you interpret it than in the his argument against Debears itself. | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: I'm not sure to understand exactly what you mean... Are you saying that I purposely misinterpret what sylver has said and done to attack him ? Could you clarify where you think I am wrong ? Yes. Explanation of where I think you are wrong is in the previous post : the same one you said i am defending Slyfire and he can use it as a rope to start his own defense. What is the point of your question if you already replied to its own answer ? | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote: @Djo What do you think of my points on Sylver? your case against Sylver is way more constructed than Djo's initial scumslip read. I agree on most point apart maybe for the last point in red which might be over exagerated interpretation. Dont you think Debears ? | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:54 Djodref wrote: @ daoud Ok, so you are not defending sylver but attacking me for misinterpreting the thread. Could you please tell me exactly where I misinterpreted the thread ? Show me it in a quote so I can be more precise. I did not say you misinterpreted the thread, I just said you did take too fast conclusions in my opinion. I like more the case against Sylver by Debears than yours. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I'd just like to point out that da0ud dissapeared off the face of the earth, and I'm not happy about this at all. I am just waking up and I still have 8 pages to read and I don't like that post. Look at the timestamp on my timezone and see why I am not active while you guys at the opposite side of earth are all awake and posting 10 messages a minute. Be sure I would love to be awake at the same time as you guys. | ||
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On November 04 2012 06:21 debears wrote: @CC It could be. I find his earlier actions scummier than his wording though. Anyways, ##Unvote ##Vote Dau0d Dude is most definitely the most inactive player right now Still a few more pages to go. Nice one for someone picking on Sylver for addressing a case against you and vote pressuring you when you are not here to defend yourself. Good timing and you dont wait only a few minutes, you wait for 6am to be sure I am not here. You are contradicting a point you made against Sylver. ##Vote Debears I have not finished reading the thread so I might unvote and revote and re-unvote again like you to add more fluff in my filter or the entire game. | ||
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On November 04 2012 12:31 Djodref wrote: @ daoud The timestamps are all converted in local time for the users. Anyway, TL displays the time in South Korea (KST) in his banner so they can use it if they want to know what time it is in Hong Kong. My guess is KST minus 1 hour, am I right ? Yes, right time is in KST. So you were right. 1.30am. But it doesnt change much on the weak accusations. | ||
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da0ud
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I actually take your vote on me as a reminder to answer your concern on me being vague. (I don't take it as a contradictory fluffly vote like Debears). Let me answer to your post : On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: That wasn't his point though, and why do you assume (or know) that sylver's motivations are to put pressure on debears? I was indeed assuming, if it wasn't his main point, at least it was how I perceived it. Sylver had other points against Debears like the case with Rad but I still believe he was putting pressure on Debears for posting too much and too less content. The result is actually getting Debears to post maybe 20 times afterwards within 45 mintutes to get a percentage on how much fluff there is in his filter. Like we care the exact number. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: You say you explained in your previous post but you didn't. You are accusing Djodref of accusing someone against his better judgement... Please be more specific with what you disagree with in his posts. These are the two posts where I explain where I think his judgment against Sylver is wrong (to me). On November 03 2012 22:06 da0ud wrote: I see your point Djodref but I don't think because someone else votes another one for being a "poor" contirbutor and sees that as a scum read would make himself scum. On November 03 2012 23:13 da0ud wrote: @Djodref : I am not defending him, i am saying that there is more scumtell in the way you interpret it than in the his argument against Debears itself. Where I think Djo was wrong is when he targets Sylver as scum because he votes someone that to him don't do good to town by posting a lot of irrelevant content. This doesn't help identify the good pieces of information in the thread as they are mixed with other posts. What I missed at the time was the accusation from Djo on the : I'm casting suspicion with my vote. Djodref is the same one who said to stop nit picking in his posts while this seems like pure nit picking to me. Yes a BIG FoS on Debears would have been appropriate and not a vote, but Debears has already voted and unvoted two or three times so why not ? | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:19 debears wrote: @Dau0d Nice. We can have some fun now  What input do you have on the my cases on Sylver and Rad? What input do you have on other cases? Who are your top scumreads and lynch candidates right now? Also, will you be here for lynch? If not, what is the closest time before lynch you will be here? @ Debears, I will finish replying to clarity's post and address this afterwards. In how many hours is the lynch time from the time you will post your answer ? I just want to calculate if this will be feasible for me to be arround. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I think I understand what you mean by this, but you're going to have to clarify. Stop being so vague! My interpretation of what you mean: "Just because sylver said the townies are dedicated doesn't mean he knows who the townies are, he just meant people in general during the daycycle" I'm not sure I agree with you... but you could still be more clear! I could have been more clear indeed. I said Djo's points where less valid the Debears (the scum read cause he votes against someone who posts fluff, and the nit picking on interpreting the townies/players situation). Debears case was making more sense : timing of post and conspiracy and structured list of arguments. As of now I think his case is not making any sense either. - Sylver explained why it took time to post and actually posting 6 minutes after Debears said he will be gone is not the perfect timing for a masterplan. - Accusation on the fluff in the thread made Debears go nuts over it. Yes there is content as well but the time it took him to get over it generated even more noise than just some (35% ^^) fluff before. - Last point is a WIFOM. Subjective interpretation of what Sylver said about town (Town as a whole ?) being active. Then including himself as active among others and then turning that as an bullet against Sylver for voting him. All of this comes for the interpretation of the activity on this whole community. | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:42 Djodref wrote: Clarity Have you guys noticed Clarity ? At least we are noticing that you noticed him | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote: Um I think it's 9 KST. It's 8 PM CST for me. Which is 3:30 hours before now 9 KST is 8 HKT. I start work @ 7.40 so it will be tough for me to be arround. The best I can do is wake up @ 6 instead of 7. However with the pace at which to thread goes I will wake up tomorrow with 10 pages to read and I wont be able to make a constructive vote. I could ninja vote at the last minute but I am not really pro this behaviour. Most likely i will put my vote tonight roughly 9 to 10 hours before lynch and stick to it. On a side note I wont be able to defend myself either if mafia decides to target me during the night as well. This is exactly what happened in the last game. I had announced it before and still got lynched. | ||
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