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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote: well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874 You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote: I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity. Your guys thoughts? Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it. I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts? | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote: These are the kinda thoughts you keep in your head. Mafia purposely keeps marv alive, for a totally WIFOM, end game cause of what you said. If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red. Explain why you think iamperfection is mafia because of that post. No random lynches. Just 'cause there's nothing else to do right now. He posted a bad idea, and I would like to discover his motives for said bad idea. | ||
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Sample size ftw. You list a grand total of TWO town games to compare his opening lines against, one of which is a replacement game. I highly doubt his first post is indicative of his alignment. That being said, it's usually pretty easy to tell if he's scum no? As you said in your own post, he's often very disinterested as mafia, and plays very differently as town. | ||
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If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss | ||
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Read your "damn case." If you want to make a meta-case based on a couple of his posts, go riiiiiiiight ahead. I personally find it worthless without more context. You took the first posts of two of his town games to compare against, one of which was a replacement game. That reads confirmation bias up the butt. | ||
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On September 18 2012 07:09 Blazinghand wrote: The fact of the matter is, as town prplhz is aggressive, throws his vote around, and is fearless, and in like 4 scum games he is the opposite. Sorry, is 4 scum games not enough to convince you to vote him? That's fine! Show me some counter-evidence! If you think he's genuinely town, you have 2 options to move my vote off him. 1) show me my case is wrong (rather than just poking at it ineffectually). I've seen you do this as town so I know you can. 2) present a better case. If it's really a bad D1 case like you said, you should be able to do better. Do it. I'll vote who-ever is the scummiest in the thread and lynch scum. Right now, that's prplhz, and you have utterly failed to convince me otherwise. Sample. Size. It's been... what... an hour? If "townie" prplhz is aggressive, fearless, throws his vote around, you need much more than a half-page of filter to figure that out. Maybe you have some sick meta read on him or something, but I sure as hell can't see it in that case. I'll propose a lynch candidate as the day gets underway. It may be prplhz, who knows, but it sure as hell won't be based on his first-posting tendencies. Hell you can probably find my first-posting tendencies as town/mafia that won't be indicative at all of my alignment. I'm sure as hell I could do the same for anyone here. I'm much more interested in overall mentality and behavior rather than some silly meta-pattern. | ||
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On September 18 2012 07:17 Blazinghand wrote: Prplhz mentality and behavior is that of a dude who is prodding and asking inane questions to which he already knows the answer. This rings alarm bells for me, and it's the reason I did some research into his meta in the first place. You're welcome to dismiss the meta, but the fact of the matter is he has done no scumhunting and has tried to appear active when in fact he is asking questions which do not apply pressure and to which he already knows the answer. It's been a fucking hour. That's not enough to display an overall "mentality and behavior." Why don't we take a step back, wait for him to gather a couple of posts, THEN decide if he's poking and prodding. If he's still doing this stuff, yes, let's lynch the hell out of him. That's part of his scum meta. His first few posts are not indicative of mentality. For example, I have a history of strongly advocating "lynch-lurker" type policies as my opener as town. I am deviating from this right now. Does that make me mafia? People are capable of changing those things on a whim. Basing a meta read on 6 posts is stupid. I'd much rather have 24 hours of his posting history in this game, and then I'll make a more-informed decision on his mentality. | ||
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##Vote austinmcc | ||
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On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote: I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early.2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later.3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. | ||
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@ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. @ mmtoss - On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote: 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss | ||
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On September 18 2012 08:38 HiroPro wrote: hapa, your thoughts on goodkarma? Null - he's made one post, and from what I know of his meta, he's capable of that as town or scum. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=5#91 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=5#97 | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote: BH you're high-fiving Hapa. You okay with the speed at which he swapped off me? marv, I'd like your thoughts here as well. Do you feel the same way hapa does about my explanation? My D1 voting spreads like an STD. In all seriousness, your explanation was good - everyone was on you for a bit because you weren't clear about your rationale. Explaining rationale ----> vote removed. As for marv, I believe he's putting the finishing touches on the newbie game he's hosting, so he probably won't be around for a bit. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote: you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? | ||
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"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. | ||
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