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Can we define separate roles to be given dependant on alignment? I can think of a few fun roles that only work for one side or would be really op for one side.
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/in Can we define separate roles to be given dependant on alignment? I can think of a few fun roles that only work for one side or would be really op for one side. | ||
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One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. | ||
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On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote: But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up. On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote: I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? | ||
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One thing is that it makes me suspicious of the people who were role claiming. | ||
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On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? | ||
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On August 21 2012 19:21 wherebugsgo wrote: you know what stands out about allin? My vote on him was calculated. Notice that I voted him immediately after he posted. This was 100% intentional by me. Guess what happened? He disappeared right afterward. If he, at the very least, had responded or said something following the flurry of votes on him, I might have been inclined to think he was a bad townie getting wagoned (and thus his flailing would've caused the subsequent votes.) However, he completely disappeared, which indicates to me that he's trying to lose heat. In addition, we have other people who come into the thread (e.g. VE) trying to derail from allinson. Obviously this in itself isn't a huge tell on VE unless allinson actually flips, but it's interesting because VE so far has done nothing else of significance. His change of vote to Drazerk seems to be calculated toward lowering his own level of suspicion. I'm fine with killing either VE or allinson today. I would rather kill allinson though, that's my stronger read of the two. I disappeared because it was 2 am and I thought I should at least get some sleep. Your case against me is basically that I don't sound sure of my self and that that I haven't contributed anything yet. About the unsureness that's just how I am, I can't really say much more about it. Also ,Dirk + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote: While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that. I hadn't contributed anything to scum hunting yet because I don't have a good read on anyone. A lot of players posting is very erratic and kind of spammy but that's settled down now. As for any reads I have now I think strongandbig is the most likely candidate for scum. His case against Draz + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:50 strongandbig wrote: Boiled down to its most basic level, my case is as follows:
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On August 21 2012 20:54 strongandbig wrote: lol k. Or you could, you know, actually say something to dissuade me from this. But "lol k" is definitely making me think twice about my accusation. On August 21 2012 20:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, also this slipped my mind...but Dirkzor in "researching meta" on allin referenced reading his performances in his latest mini and Mad Men to get an idea of his play. I'm not sure which Newbie Mini he's talking about because he doesn't say, and allinson wasn't even IN Mad Men, so really I'm not even sure why he even mentioned the allin case to begin with. He lied about doing meta research on it, which leads me to believe that he lied about even reading the case...the fact that he never voted for allin and opted to instead vote for me supports this. Just on observation. I'm trying to figure out whether he is just being lazy or he is scum. I can't imagine scum being stupid enough to just make some shit up that is that easy to call out, but I also can't think of a reason town would either. | ||
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On August 21 2012 21:16 strongandbig wrote: but it's just so terrible! Your 'case' on me is that you don't like my cases. So first off, your characterization of my cases is wrong, but that aside, why does making cases you don't like mean I'm scum? Because I think you are going at people who could be very dangerous for scum later on but easy enough to push a mislynch onto. I think if you actually thought Draz and VE are scum you would actually havea good reason for doing so and I haven't seen one yet. I'll concede that it isn't a strong case but so far I haven't seen a strong case against anyone. | ||
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SaB what do you think of Dirk's "meta research" about me that is obviously wrong? | ||
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On August 21 2012 22:14 strongandbig wrote: Oh and because you were so insistent on it being a policy lynch and not willing to consider a policy vig shot, despite doubtless having multiple town vigs in this game. (if a vig shot is available then using that on a policy question is better for town than using the lynch, because you can't really do behavioral analysis on the votes on a policy lynch) A vig shot probably would be a much better option with regards to Grush. I guess the complication would be with pokemon types causing it not to be successful. | ||
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