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Barrin Wasteland v.0.3
This map is intended for the MOTM ProAm (July) contest.
This map is a work in progress, whether or not it gets picked.
This post is a work in progress, and is being created for the sole benefit of FlashFTW. j/k <3 <3 <3 But seriously, the important stats and such will be edited in at a later time.
This map is published on NA.
Creation Details:
+ Show Spoiler +Originally, this map was created around the time Barrin had his meltdown and went all FRB on us. XD <3 <3 <3 Yes you saw me there, too. But the point is that he was gonna learn me the knowledge that made his bubble encompass more of the mapping loop chart thingy than me. So, I set down to his challenge to make a 132x100 2 player map, and not to have too much circle syndrome. Well, I did that... sort of. I still needed my funky main choke, and alternate main enterances (including the mother of all backdoors!) just to play around with those things more. So this is my first two player map that Barrin was going to lead me through making a tournament grade winner, but we never got that far -- so now it is up for grabs by an ProAm pro! Grab it while you can!
Map Pics:
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Map Specifications:
- Size -- 132x100 playable (152x128 full)
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Too many strait edges in your map! Vary things up a bit and work on the textures. One texture over the entire map just looks bad. also it seems to be a very splittable map which concerns me. The backdoor is an intersting idea, I see how you are trying to create a large wide attack path later in the game, but perhaps you should find a way, like a second layer of destructible rocks or even a mineral patch to ensure that those rocks cannot be broken down in the early game. Also increasing their armor and hitpoints could help. The second set of destructibe rocks don't seem to do much to me.
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Is this some kind of Dustin Browder fetish or something? :o
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Ok coming here straight from your other map makes it clear you're a relatively new mapper. The most important thing I can tell you is this:
Understand the math before you write a theorem.
What I mean by this is simply that you are trying to be very creative, new, and fresh when approaching maps. However, with a lack of experience (and game theory), this will make your maps a huge mess of unplayability. It's hard to point out flaws because the inherent design decisions are corrupted.
What you should do is take an existing "good" map- Cloud Kingdom, Ohana, Metropolis, Daybreak, Whirwind, etc. and alter it in VERY slight ways. In other words, learn to create Cloud Kingdom, but change the way the ramps work, the position of the fourth, etc.
Once you have a feel for how to create a good map (by copying a good map), new and creative maps will come more freely for you. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to PM me, I'm always happy to help ^^
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On July 13 2012 17:32 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Ok coming here straight from your other map makes it clear you're a relatively new mapper. The most important thing I can tell you is this:
Understand the math before you write a theorem.
What I mean by this is simply that you are trying to be very creative, new, and fresh when approaching maps. However, with a lack of experience (and game theory), this will make your maps a huge mess of unplayability. It's hard to point out flaws because the inherent design decisions are corrupted.
What you should do is take an existing "good" map- Cloud Kingdom, Ohana, Metropolis, Daybreak, Whirwind, etc. and alter it in VERY slight ways. In other words, learn to create Cloud Kingdom, but change the way the ramps work, the position of the fourth, etc.
Once you have a feel for how to create a good map (by copying a good map), new and creative maps will come more freely for you. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to PM me, I'm always happy to help ^^
Everyone always says that, but I think its better to make bad maps first and then learn from mistakes.
I mean my first published map was 218x218 intended for 1v1, and with that I advanced and look where I am now... oh right -.-
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Why is the picture so dark. I can't see shit
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@ Insomni7 -- I think a striaght lined map every once in a while is okay, I could go the other way and say that there are too many jaggedy lined maps. :/ I did want this map to be more boxy, but I could probably fit in a crag here or there and change up the theme of the map a bit to be more fitting of "wasteland". However, I never really got back to this map after the initial layout, and aesthetics come after the layout is complete (more or less). Besides, I was hoping one of the "pros" would have a better idea as to the aesthetical direction.
@ BobMcJohnson -- I know right?!? No, that was the guy who actually made Dustin Browder's face into a map. My inspiration for this map comes more from my days of Warcraft 2 where you sometimes had to use a crapton of sappers to "dig" through the rocks to get to the next goldmine or chop down all of the trees to get to your turtling opponent.
On July 13 2012 18:49 Sea_Food wrote:
On July 13 2012 17:32 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Ok coming here straight from your other comments makes it clear you're a relatively new map reviewer. The most important thing I can tell you is this:
Understand the grammer before you write a dissertation.
What I mean by this is simply that you are trying to be very objective, blunt, and factual when approaching map makers. However, with a lack of pursuasiveness (and tact), this will make your map reviews a huge mess of undesirability. It's hard to hear out thoughts because the inherent communication decisions are corrupted.
What you should do is take an existing "good" map reviewer- Chargelot, ihasaKAROT, FlashFTW, IronManSC, Barrin, etc. and alter their comments in VERY slight ways. In other words, learn to create a Chargelot comment, but change the way the phrases work, the position of the punctuation, etc.
Once you have a feel for how to create a good map review (by copying a good map review), pursuasive and tactful map reviews will come more freely for you. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to PM me, I'm always happy to help ^^
Everyone always says that, but I think its better to make bad map reviews first and then learn from mistakes.
I mean my first published map review was "trolololol" intended for superouman, and with that I advanced and look where I am now... oh right -.-
@ DYEAlabaster -- Okay, I had fun with that but seriously, drop the condescending attitude. I'm neither new to TL, nor mapping, nor gaming, nor anything else (yes I've literally done everything :p). I may not have the time a 13 year old can put into his hobby, but neither do I care to explore the territories mapping has already got covered. In the time you took to write that post you probably could have serached my post history and found out my mapping intentions from other posts and decided not to write your comment. (and I know math... I just don't get to do it often enough. :p)
@ Sea_Food -- Sorry you got caught up in the quote redux, but I thought it was funnier that way. XD I think we agree to a certain degree (which I think is rare tbh, XD) -- I'm of the opinion it is better to explore new ideas badly and learn from them than not to try at all (and gain nothing). And boy do I explore badly, no? 
@ thezanursic -- Because there is only one texture, and it is a dark texture. If this changes any time soon, you will know I have recently come into unlimited wealth (or the map was picked by a pro in the MOTM contest). Please see the "science view" if you are having trouble making out what's what.
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@ Insomni7 -- I think a striaght lined map every once in a while is okay, I could go the other way and say that there are too many jaggedy lined maps. :/ I did want this map to be more boxy, but I could probably fit in a crag here or there and change up the theme of the map a bit to be more fitting of "wasteland". However, I never really got back to this map after the initial layout, and aesthetics come after the layout is complete (more or less). Besides, I was hoping one of the "pros" would have a better idea as to the aesthetical direction.
Strait edges are ok, but your aesthetics dont promote strait edges. Look at this map. It is a good example of how you can use them. Its just that your whole theme suggests an unkempt wasteland and your edges dont.
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