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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Haven't played in a while, but my job consists of me doing absolutely nothing all day this summer... | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On July 11 2012 23:52 iGrok wrote: Power Level Lynch
People above seem to be operating under the assumption that several people attacking the same target will accumulate power level. The quote seems to indicate that only the single highest power level attack is used. Clarify? | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
A system that attempts to never obtain data from power levels is restricting potential information, therefore bad. On the other hand, I don't think open PL claims are ideal immediately. @Sinensis 1) Acknowledge plan is rubbish due to rules. 2) Claim you have a scum read because someone pointed #1 out to you. The misstated that the rule was in a clarification rather than OP. That's not even close to a scum read. That's just stupid. I honestly think the town is terrible at scum reads on day 1. I advocate for one of two things: 1) a vote that will give information, or 2) a random vote. #1 is ideal, but only an option in some situations. If there is a clear schism between two groups, certain voting blocks emerging, people defending hard, etc. then this can be used. But just someone making a crap case based on crap day 1 analysis (no hard data yet) I think is useless. #2 is more likely to be the case on day 1. I have two reasons for support a random vote: 1. Town is bad at day 1 reads. I did analysis of this once based off TL data. And 2. Scum will be actively- though subtly- pushing their agenda, whereas the town cannot effectively do this. This increases the chance of a townie kill if we go off crap day 1 reads. We will still gain data based off who voted when, who pushed for who, who supported the kill- regardless of if we hit a townie or scum. That said, I will be hoping that #1 is the case today, and will be examining everyone’s play/claims/attacks/support to see if there is any vote that will gather significant data for day 2. Otherwise, I will be rolling a random number now, and voting on that person due to how the mechanics work, it's best to do this early. ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On July 25 2012 07:29 s0Lstice wrote: having not heard much from grush57 gives me an uneasy feeling...he basically lurked/trolled all the way through LVI when he was scum, and got very little attention. In a mini, the story is different, so know that I am noticing your absence grush. As far as I know there was a role PM but not an actual start PM? On July 25 2012 08:08 s0Lstice wrote: also, I'd like to hear an explanation from michaelthe on the post heist spoke of briefly. michaelthe, your ambivalence to day 1 is worrisome. if everyone played like you day 1, there would be no information to be had for any lynch. random voting just for the sake of buffing up your power level makes it seem like you don't care who dies today. scum also don't particularly care which of us die today. are you scum? I don't care who dies, I care what people think about the person I picked to die. Also, can we use town and scum rather than reverse colors? Plus, I'm hoping to get my power level OVER 900!!! | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Option #2- You have proven my theory correct, even when my play has been shown to be consistant with my previous day 1's. You are mostly idiots. There hasn't been enough quality discussion for me to change my vote. You have all though, adequately proven my point, in light of evidence that my town meta always plays this way. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Right now this is what I know I face: a town with embedded scum trying to move a vote to any townie. The town is useless (can't even copy paste my name) and the scum are not useless day 1 (they are pushing their agenda. On the other hand, I have my random. I wish I could vote for info, but the day 1 discussion was terrible. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
1- I'm the stupidest player ever for attacking someone, saying Im going to random, then actually picking that person IN THE SAME POST ON THE FIRST PAGE ON THE FIRST DAY. If I were scum picking a random town, I can't explain how bad this play would be. But I guess I wouldn't expect you to understand (see 2) 2- I'm correct in how bad you are all as town. You continue to prove my point, and should I die, it's at least a small victory in that I can point at how absolutely bad town is in day 1. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
The idea is that we will be able to find scum tells in how they craft their cases and respond to others. So in that regard, day 2 I expect to see significantly more activity. As for reads near the end of the night- nothing firm from me. I have a fair number of light reads and a few data points, but I'd like to combine this with day 2 discussion tomorrow. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
9 players left: 3 Scum 6 Town - Vig shot or similar mechanic townie - Someone who targeted Fulla with an ability - Person #2 in mason group It may be prudent for claims to be made at this point. Maybe only so if the ability that target Fulla can be shown to be a town ability. The things we need to be cautious about is that there is no way to know if the ability is necessarily a town ability. What we would be left with would be 3 special claims, 3 town claims, and then whatever the mafia claim (town or special). Either way, it could be to towns advantage. I suggest we discuss the merits of this before people actually flip. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
So lets be clear: Sinensis - Town, via Maju's last post indicating he is Mason. Didn't explicitly point this out earlier since it was still night, but someone has since posted the post indicating it. Mattchew: Will be confirmed town after using ability, which we should use today. (although, some possibility he is scum and given an alt roleclaim with the same ability) 6 remain: HiroPiro Fulla BioSC michaelthe heist s0Lstice As I've stated, we also have a vig shot to take 1 person off this list, as well as whatever was used on Fulla (should it mean they are blue). This means we can potentially have a list of 4 possible scum. Unless someone has a reason we should not claim, I suggest we claim, focus our scum on the remaining 4-5 in the next 24 hours, use Matt's ability, then pick a lynch target in the second 24 hours. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
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michaelthe
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I know I will be on a list of 5-6 potential targets, but to randomly pick one without going over data is retarded. I would like this list to be complete (ie, anyone else to claim, do so) before I hardcore examine the rest on the list. This will take some time, in part to wait for claims, and in part to give myself, and everyone else, time to examine the shortlist. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Matts actions in the past 3 hours of a new day include dayshotting a town with zero discussion AFTER I SAID WE SHOULD DISCUSS. We gained nothing from you dayshooting 100% on your own. You could have waited for claims, you could have waited for cases, but instead you choose the worst thing possible. You sir, are an idiot. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Lore wise, 2 things: 1- what he had to type to cast the spell is Goku's signature spell. 2- It's possible that his target was Vegeta- we see that they are adversary's in Vegeta's tag. It is possible that Goku had something similar, or discovered him last night via other scum, or the ability targets Vegeta (I should watch the vids to see how he beats vegeta in their last big fight). 2 cents, I will be back later for some actual analysis. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
First, this game is showing itself to have consistent lore. My character has an ability that he has in the shows. I assume that Mattchew's ability was intended to be an endgame tactic and that he didn't know it was unique to Goku. While the ability isn't FULLY unique to Goku (though it is certainly his signature), you can see a list of who uses it here: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kamehameha. It isn't listed on the fake name that he gave. I'd urge all of you to read any ability you have and search the dbz wiki. Or search for the dead players as well. Furthermore, his actions were clearly not pro-town. I basically asked him to wait until people had a time to pick a target for his daykill, after examination and analysis in the first 24 hours. Then we would take the results of the daykill and have more data to pick a lynch. Instead, he did the thing that would allow the least amount of data to get gathered and analysed. I firmly believe that he made the mistake of thinking this would prove him town without knowing actual lore. A mistake by him. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
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michaelthe
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Since no one else wants to play, I will. Sinensis – Confirmed town/Mason via MajuGarzett's last post Mattchew – Scum- antitown actions that used an ability that lore shows Goku to has. He is Goku. Since I'm really certain that Mattchew is Goku, the actions of others immediately after his daykill reveal a lot. First, S0Lstive immediately voted for him. I don't think scum would do that. BioSC and Heist immediately voted for me. While HiroPro claimed I was on his scum read list, his role makes it clear that he didn't have any abilities that would grant him hard insight. More to the point, they completely ignore Mattchew's antitown action and target me hard. It's possible that at-least one of them isn't scum. Heist claimed a role/ability that would mean he is not scum- but this ability can't be verified until the end of todays vote. /e Not possible, see below. Fulla- I just researched to find who claimed an ability on him. The only claim that wasn't shot down was S0Lstice, who claimed a role swap. This would mean that S0Lstice (my firmest town read second to Sine) can confirm Fulla town. Actually, in light of this, we would have a full picture: Town: Sinensis – mason via day 1 lynch flip s0Lstice – via actions v. Mattchew and night swap with Fulla Fulla – Town if S0Lstice is Michaelthe – The last one. Scum: Mattchew, who is friggen Goku. BioSC and Heist – Immediately target me with no discussion of Mattchew The last question is about me, since the rest of the town can follow all of the other town reasons except my own. The one scenario where I would be scum would be that Matt and me are both scum and we are attacking each other to create distance regardless of who dies. But if this were true, a few things: - The other two scum immediately jump on me, when Matt would have been a better target due to F'ing up the lore. - I would not have let Matt use the ability today in the first place as it's obviously Goku to anyone who knows/googles lore. Anyways, even if someone isn't convinced that my list is right, you need to Kill Matt tonight. He is the extremely firm scum read. Basically, I'm looking at you Sinensis. The other 3 won't change. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
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michaelthe
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On July 28 2012 23:40 Fulla wrote: I'm alive, I'm hitting matt with the other guy. As you can see the vote thread. This should bring it to 4v2 by night? Problem is as we've seen scum can kill 2 in 1 go. Will we have enough power to kill the meaning 2 is the question? I have no idea what power levels there chars are. I assume very high. The night we had 2 kills was 1 hit from scum and 1 hit from a vig shot. Hopefully Heist is fake claiming that ability. I will activate my special regardless tonight, buffs my PL tonight, but reduces gain per hour ( i think for rest of game). | ||
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