That's pretty poor ettiquete, I would say, and isn't optimal play either.. Scum COULD do that, but realistically, the SK wants the scum to live so that they will shoot up town for them. Therefore, scum benefit from having SK around.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10437464

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 18:44 GMT

#153

I'm ok with an RNG lynch.

If needed I can write a simple bash script that randomizes our names every few seconds and displays them on a webpage or something, then we just need someone else to select a random time (maybe when I'm asleep or something?) and we'll screenshot the page at that time, lynching the first player.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 19:07 GMT

#155

You see I don't even understand how that sport works so I think you'd cheat me.

Now, there's an actually relevant sports event going on, the EU cup, but I don't think football would work very well for randomizing stuff.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 19:09 GMT

#156

Anyway, I've thrown the site up, http://palmar.org/mafia/random.txt

it's not set to autorefresh, so to get the latest result you need to refresh the page. Every minute crontab will run this script:

cat /var/www/mafia/playerlist.txt | sort -R | cut -f2- > /var/www/mafia/random.txt

And that's the result you're seeing on the page.

Now just screenshot at random pre-determined time, and voila.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 19:14 GMT

#158

yes.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 19:17 GMT

#159

And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 21:06 GMT

#169

There is no 100% of attention to be focused on a site that's already ready, and if we RNG by it I won't be awake to make the timing call nor see the result until next morning. so you're creating shit that doesn't exist.

Last game you played as scum you started tunneling someone that was not too far in the spotlight very early in the game. Your entire case on Greymist is that he "posted fluff" which can be said about half the players in the game. Discussing a RNG lynch is by definition fluff, it's only what you do with the information that results from it that can be very helpful.

Do you believe that Greymist has more chance than anyone else in the game to flip scum gonzaw? What do you think about Radfield?

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 21:09 GMT

#170

On June 11 2012 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
There's a happy coincidence - when I came into the thread and expressed my willingness to follow Palmar's algorithm, I refreshed his page and I was on the top of the list. The moment chaoser did the same, I went and refreshed the page and HIS name was at the top.

Fweeaky.

Anyway, hypothetically what would your thoughts be on using Palmar's program as a means to arrive at two CANDIDATES for lynch (the top and bottom of the list it generates) and lynching between them? In that way, we arrive at the two candidates randomly and we still get to pick the scummiest of two candidates rather than lynching truly randomly? Or does that remove the point of the RNG lynch entirely?

1st part is hilarious.

Anyway, your alternative is far worse than just RNG lynching. What you're suggesting basically removes the entire point of random lynching and introduces a terrible alternative to just analysis lynching.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 10 2012 21:14 GMT

#172

Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.

Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.

Let's do this.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 09:09 GMT

#281

So no one actually attempted to actually RNG a lynchee while I was asleep?

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 09:19 GMT

#282

On June 11 2012 11:00 GreYMisT wrote:
In any case, I am very worried about Ace after rereading. Particularly his post asking for caoser to respond to something someone else said without providing us anything, as well as saying he is down for an RNG lynch and then disappearing without again, giving us anything.

##Vote: Ace

That's not a scumtell. What makes you think Ace is scum because of this? Take note that I'm not saying he's town, I'm just saying that this particular argument tells us nothing about his alignment.

Supporting an RNG lynch is not a bad idea. It's a net gain for town, as long as you settle the target early enough. It will actually help a lot trying to figure out what really is going on in the game. It creates an unusual situation that most people aren't sure how to react to, and it's in an unstable environment it's easiest to catch mafia. The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost.

I'm hoping some of you remember this for future games, I've yet to successfully push through the idea of a RL because of it's inherent flaw that you can't explain it. It's like why arguing about LAL is dumb as shit. As soon as you argue about it, you've given people an excuse to lie. You just shut your stupid face and say that it's a 100% solid policy and liars WILL be lynched, while secretly keeping yourself in check and being ready to go against that position.

Anyway, enough about how to play mafia.

@BrownBear, The information I withheld is crucial to the execution of the plan, as I explained above. You seem to be going after a pretty easy reason to lynch someone, is this because you're being lazy or cause you're scum?

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 09:29 GMT

#284

On June 11 2012 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
What is it with people absolutely losing their heads when they get accused these days. Grey please just take a step back, though you may not think you are, you're coming across very defensive. Also I'm just gonna say right now I'm EXTREMELY wary of lynching VE. He's been mislynched two games in a row (I was directly responsible for one of them). While that does not excuse him from scrutiny, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for his lynch.

hehehehehhe.

So who's up for lynching meapak with me?

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 10:34 GMT

#285

you're all bad, inactive and boring.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 13:13 GMT

#288

I solved that though didn't I? It's just that no one actually took advantage of it.

Meapak is just being a scared little pussy, read his posts through, time to kill.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 13:21 GMT

#289

To clarify, the logic is terrible, but that doesn't make him scum. While using bad logic may be an indicator of someone being scum, it's not conclusive, because townies tend to be well... dumb.

The point is that he's using bad logic to avoid reaching a conclusion. If he was using bad logic to actually do something with it, like conclude someone he wanted to lynch, or decide that someone is town, I'd not be so eager to kill him. It's the fact that he's basically saying nothing for no reason that makes him scum.

Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet, and meapak is much more likely to flip scum anyway. VE has a nice habit of looking ridiculously much like town when he is one, so we'll know soon enough.

The reason VE has been getting mislynched is because mafia has been pushing the idea he's scum, not because he has been scummy, or that was at least the case in Liar Game. I was scum myself and just chose to ignore the fact he was looking pretty towny.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 16:38 GMT

#302

thanks for playing wiggles

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

June 11 2012 16:42 GMT

#303

I would have to re-read chaoser to form an opinion on him, Radfield has been fairly towny which is why I was annoyed at him for being thick. Too many people are just content with not doing anything though.