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If I investigate someone who is (un)framed that night, do I get the result after the framer effect or before? | ||
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slOosh
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On February 14 2012 07:45 GreYMisT wrote: Are you saying your target was framed or not? can you provide a hypothetical scenario? Ohhh I thought framers abilities were permanent. Ok ok, it makes much more sense now. | ||
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slOosh
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Also, when will Day 1 begin? | ||
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On February 17 2012 09:02 GreYMisT wrote: ................................................................................................ I really just blew my 2k post on you guys............................... You guys better play your goddamned best. I laughed so hard; I promise to bring you my very best, and we newbies appreciate you (and TL mafia community) much so. Now onto more serious matters: I don't think there is much benefit to talking about town-setups especially so early in the game. It is all speculation, and not substantial evidence we can use day 1. Lets hold that off for later. Second, I also participated in Newbie Mafia III along with DoYouHas, Zelblade and MidnightGladius. Third: I really don't understand what the heck gumshoe is doing.Why would he explain the intentions of his poll in the next post when doing so renders his plan ineffective as he openly describes how mafia should/shouldn't act? The poll does pose harm to town as I don't see any benefits and it clutters the thread/distracts focus. I think it a bad idea - but too early to figure if it is newbie play or anti-town. | ||
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slOosh
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1.) gumshoe 2.) blae000 3.) Alderan 4.) EchelonTee 5.) DoYouHas 6.) MannerKiss 7.) Steveling 8.) trackd00r 9.) MidnightGladius 10.) slOosh 11.) Janaan 12.) TKHawkins 13.) DimmuKlok 14.) zelblade 15.) jaj22 | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:23 EchelonTee wrote: I agree, we should lynch lurkers. in a 12 man setup, Mafia can't lurk as easily or they lose like nubs. Newbie III is an example. with 15, they can hide away, as we lynch scummy looking newbs. If sloosh doesnt post within 12-24 hours, I'm going to presume that it's because he was busy posting in scum QT. Why did you post that last line? | ||
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Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner. Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it? | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote: I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. On February 17 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote: did you feel threatened? :D On February 17 2012 12:21 EchelonTee wrote: Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. there a motives for both townie and scum to do so. Gumshoe does his weird poll thing, you ask if he could write his posts more legibly, and then take a very friendly stance of making sure no one is offended, asking for accountability etc. Now I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is how you shift your attitude so quickly. I assume the :D in the next quote indicates playfulness. Then just a few minutes later you lash out against me, clearly telling me what not to do - "don't twist my words" And that last line: "there are motives for both townie and scum to do so." That may be true but a townie would never think like that. If they did something that might be misconstrued as scummy, they would clarify themselves. They wouldn't say both mafia and town could have acted in the way they did. I was fine with your first post. But now you've earned my suspicion. ##FOS: EchelonTee | ||
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slOosh
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Don't feel intimidated or whatever. This is your chance to contribute your opinions and thoughts. Inactivity may be active lurking or newbies not knowing what to say. Well, here's something to talk about. I don't want Day 1 to be just a dialogue between me and EchelonTee, and let lurkers lurk. I'm keeping an eye out, so if you are town do your thing. | ||
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On February 17 2012 12:51 Steveling wrote: What does FOS mean anyway? Oh shoot. Sorry for just tossing out mafia lingo. FOS = Finger of Suspicion. I am stating that I think EchelonTee is acting in a suspicious (read. mafia-esque) manner and that I invite others to look at his behavior as well. | ||
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On February 17 2012 13:12 gumshoe wrote: T To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature could provide the perfect platform for a mafia players critique. A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so. That said I doubt that Ech would take this huge and obvious of a risk this early on(as he did) if he was maf, we still have tons of time, if Ech backs off we shall know if he's trying to hide after taking so much heat and therefore he's probably worried about an investigation or a lynch. His only route is to keep being an aggressive poster and hopefully dig his way out of the ditch with some phoenix wright quality analysis. I also really don't like Ech's controversial move of casting doubt on a specific player for not yet posting when there are several players still lurking. I don't care if you wanted to draw him out you could've just asked for his opinion on something. We can't make those assumptions. Mafia play a game of duplicity - they will do whatever is necessary to avoid suspicion, even if that means being in the spotlight with all the attention on them. I would try to avoid guessing (and then announcing) how people will act as 1) People have different playstyles and so you can have two townies who act very differently (but with pro-town motives) 2) If they are mafia they can just do whatever you don't do and cast confusion upon the town. Talking about how they will act or not is not a solid way of finding them. It is otherwise known as WIFOM and is something that should be avoided. | ||
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On February 17 2012 13:19 EchelonTee wrote: Why keep on pressing this? you're being needlessly defensive, and soft accusing me. Mafia like soft accusing, it takes away the need for accountability. I FOSed you. That isn't soft accusing. I'm not voting for you since my goal for town is active discussion by all members. If all I did day 1 was focus on you, then the other 3 mafia will be content in lurking all they want. Next, you presume that my disposition towards gumshoe and towards you should be the same, or else I am being suspicious. That makes no sense at all. Towards gumshoe, I am suspicious. Towards you, I was indifferent. Why do I have to act with the same attitude to different people? You are friendly to the guy you are suspicious of and antagonistic to someone you are indifferent to. You have every right to act in which way you like, but doing something like that drew my attention. Finally, if you're truly suspicious of me, vote me. You already FoS'd me. You're trying to get someone else to start it, so that you don't have to claim responsibility when the bandwagon mislynches, but you're trying to put in the impetus so someone else will do the work for you. I know how scum works. shove off. Calm down. The worst scenario for town is to have discussion dominated by two townies going at each others throats. So unless you think I am mafia, I would suggest that we both keep the town's best interest in mind and promote a good atmosphere. ***** Was typing this up before more people posted. Going to put it up so people understand my stance, but as I say in the last sentence, pursuing this isn't helpful. Its only 6 hours into the day so we still have plenty of time. Let's not get distracted by this but start getting people to post. | ||
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"other 3 or 4 mafia will be content lurking" Emotions got the best of me. Not assuming you are mafia. | ||
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Especially in a newbie game, we can't have people lying as it destroys town's ability to find mafia. Now, everyone has posted, so it is a matter of differentiating who is trying to contribute vs who is just trying to look like they contribute. On February 17 2012 17:11 Janaan wrote: 2. The bout between Sloosh and EchelonTee. I'm seeing Sloosh using a hint of WIFOM reasoning, but not enough for me to call it scummy action. I will keep my eye on him, though. As far as EchelonTee goes, I actually follow his reasoning pretty well, he does seem to be getting a bit defensive, though. Can you clarify your stance on us? Do you think I'm suspicious? You say you follow ET's reasoning well but it doesn't seem that you think he is town either? What are your thoughts on us? | ||
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On February 18 2012 04:19 DoYouHas wrote: sl0osh, he overreacted badly to a perfectly fine way of calling him out. Everything in his exchange was just an extended version of OMGUS (attacking the person who attacked you only because he attacked you). I think it is too easy to dismiss sl0osh's failure to see the reason behind ET's actions as his standard confirmation bias. Not acknowledging that ET's initial reference to him was purely to get him talking, not to frame him as mafia. I also thought that whole post about ET's tone was just a big pot of confirmation bias. Contradiction? How is failure to see the reason behind ET's actions scummy? You are more logical than this. Sure you suffered a bit of confirmation bias on Simberto lynch in the prior game we played, but at least it started logical. | ||
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On February 18 2012 05:20 Steveling wrote: Ok, just woke up and caught on the action. So, my view on the whole thing is that we should push for a no lynch day 1. The reasoning: We are close to the night, very close actually and we have zero solid cases on anyone. Yes mannerkiss's weird 1 liner is scummy, also both eche and sloosh became defensive too fast and yes there are some lurkers as well. Nothing we can make a strong case on. But chanses are that we are probably gonna misslynch day1 with the current situation. So the way I see it, we either push for a lurker lynch or a no lynch. And with a no lynch we promote more discussion without losing an unlucky towny, more discussion always benefits the town. What do you guys think? Days are 48 hour cycles. We have at least ~26 hours before lynch deadlines. No go on the no lynch. Mafia get a kill at night and we'll be stuck in day 1 all over again. | ||
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slOosh
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Many people are taking about lynching lurkers. Lurkers aren't simply people who don't post. Everyone in the game has posted at least once since day started. Lurkers are people who don't post anything substantial. People who post for the sake of looking like they are contributing. So if you say you want to lynch lurkers, point out people who are posting fluff. (As for MannerKiss just wait for his response. There are plenty of lurkers like him out there - go find them). | ||
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On February 18 2012 05:34 DoYouHas wrote: 1. This refers to you failing to see the reasons behind ET's pressuring of you. Your post about ET's attitude towards yourself and gumshoe is not based in that failing. 2. THIS refers to that post about attitude. A post which I thought was clearly founded in confirmation bias. They were 2 opinions about 2 sections of your exchange with ET. You treating them both as if they referred to the same thing is wrong. (You = sl0osh) (I fixed the chain quoting as leaving what I said out of the post is a skewed presentation of information) What are you going on about? 1) I asked for the logic in behind lynching me because I allegedly failed to see the reasons behind ET's pressure on me. Please answer the question. 2) Thank you for clarifying. But then are you seriously trying to lynch me on confirmation bias? You lynch people for being illogical or pushing mafia agendas. You don't lynch because they have confirmation bias, nor do you lynch them for their inability to understand other peoples actions. | ||
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