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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
First is his fast switch about random lynchings: On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote:. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances. to I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed. Second, what bluelightz pointed out, does seem odd he wants to take control. If we did go RNG lynch, how can we be sure he didn't tamper with it somehow? Seems odd how he changes his mind and now seems super eager to get a kill. ##Vote: Sinensis for now | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
Suspect: Sinensis: I'll keep my vote on Sinensis, for reasons stated before. Just seems like a very black and white type of person with the "I'll be the kill leader, and we'll decide using an RNG" without really waiting for talk. prplhz: Seems to throw votes around, I'm not sure if he's just trying to stir up stuff but I don't think it's a good mindset. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
##Unvote: Sinensis I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start... ##Vote: Timeaisis For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
 I'll try to post more.If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
I still stand my Sinensis vote. Echelon just posted about one of his posts which I agree with (won't completely repost, but no one really knows who townie is d1). But further, he seems to act as though he has authority to call out anyone and everyone (he's called out a lot of people, prplhz, bluelightz, me, sentinel, etc) since he survived day1. Maybe I'm wrong (I'm only really sure of Vilonis and Timeaisis xD), but I still don't see how Sinensis really helps us either way. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
Mderg seems like a townie to me, or at least rather logical. EchelonTee is rather aggressive, but I don't think that makes him more suspicious than Nisani201 at this point. gotta go to work, but I'll be back later tonight | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:53 EchelonTee wrote: Though your posts are slightly longer than Nisani's, how are you any better than him? I feel like Nisani hasn't always explained himself and his actions clearly. I try to explain my reasoning and if it happens to agree with someone else, I try not to repeat and add in fluff. I think sometimes Toast can be aggressive in his pursuit, but still isn't my main suspect. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
You said you killed sinani, no one countered the claim, my suspicion was already easing up on you, so I really had no reason to think you weren't who you claimed to be (vig). @Nisani I lurked for most of the game, I think everyone has agreed with that. I'm trying to be more active, but I really only post when I have something I can contribute (even if it's just an opinion/feeling about someone). I don't see how trying to be impartial is a bad thing? We could've tried to play this game with random lynchings and gone with our gut, but most people are trying to logically post. If I was impartial, that would mean I would look over someones argument just cause I didn't agree with them at the start... Funny enough, that was the main reason I was looking at Sinensis, I didn't think he was logical/partial enough. @Bluelightz Sorry, I'm trying to post more, and wanted to let you know that I intended to post (which explains why I told you I'd be back later). The second I have a very strong suspicion of someone, I will come out and say it. So far, I've felt like Vilonis on d1, and prplhz after n1 were townies. I haven't had super strong conviction on any scum, but I thought Sinensis was hurting our chances by listing off random (or it felt random at least) other members. And as I said, I try to avoid repeating what someone has said, even if I agree on point with what they've said. I never said Toast was suspicious, I said he can be aggressive, which can throw people off or give himself false heat (people will respond in kind and try to get blame onto him). I was saying, even though he can be aggressive, i wasn't going to vote for him unless I heard better reasoning. @Sentinel I voted for Timeaisis because it was obvious Sinensis (my original suspect) was not going to get voted, and we only had a short amount of time left (~2 or so hours I think). I know we wanted to get a vote in, and so out of the two suspects, I felt Timeaisis was the most suspicious. I'm sure you can find in my history I voted for Sinensis day 1, and repeated my suspicions of him... --- I'm going to keep with my original suspicion and vote Nisani. I think his posts today have made me more suspicious of him (even if he didn't have me as the second target). It feels as though he knows his argument against us isn't that strong and so he's trying to quickly push the votes and focus on to someone else since he knows people were looking at him n2. ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
By itself it may not be suspicious, but the night before his name was being said a lot, and then today he seems really jumpy put the focus on to others rather then defending himself. That just makes him more suspicious to me. Perhaps its the wrong feeling to have but that's just my take on it. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies. I don't mean the act is not suspicious, I mean that by itself it wouldn't necessarily make me jump out and say "SCUM!". For example, getting life insurance for your wife isn't suspicious. Getting it before your wife mysteriously dies is type of deal (not to that extreme though in this instance). What's been said about Nisani has been my feeling. He doesn't post his reasoning very often, yet still does a lot of accusations. (Of course, he only just recently posted a big analysis, which really just him accusing sentinel of fluff (ironic) and voting for the two town lynches (which a majority of us obviously had to...)) What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. TheToast has posted a lot (which is considered a good thing as shown by me being voted and him not) and has been pretty logical, although sometime's aggressive in his beliefs. I really have no real reason to think he's scum at all. Echelon is also somewhat aggressive in his approach, but he also calls out everyone (similar to you) in their arguments (his last few posts he's counter argued me, nisani, bluelightz, and a bit to you). I am leaning town with him as well. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
Anyway, back on track. I decided to take a close look at BaronFel's posting. Some of this is stuff that I posted before, just trying to arrange it more logically. Day 1 BaronFel was supremely lurking, he had a grand total of like 2 posts. He hopped on the Sinesis train early, and stayed there long after everyone else moved off Sinesis. He did end up changing his vote to Timeaisis interestingly though: I believe I already stated my position on why I voted for Timeaisis day 1. Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon. I'll give you the fact that I did indeed not use the filter. I did not know it existed till a bit later in the thread (when someone linked my filter). I was just going off of what I had read straight through in the thread. Also, it was never my intention to make it seem like I was coming to the conclusion myself that he was using the "I'm new card". When I read Echelon write that I thought "now that I think of it, it seems like he did say he was new rather often" and went with that. Night 1 Baron was back on Sinesis however: Things get interesting here. Night one Bluelightz called out BaronFel as potential scum. Everyone completely ignored Bluelightz and the comment was forgotten. Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up: If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1. I usually try to clear things up when people call me out. I would think it would look worse if he called me out and I just tried to ignore it. What if I had ignored it, someone going through filters will now say "BaronFel never defended himself etc". He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post: Ummmmm.... whose us? No, really, whose us? Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument... At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum). Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits: He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low. I'm saying that what prplhz wanted me to say (or from my assumption from his post), was to give a definitive "They were killed because [a],[b],[c], probably most likely from [person a] and/or [person b]". I gave some reasons as to why they might have been targeted, but as I said, I didn't have any strong suspicions at the time. Anyone I said could have easily been town, and I didn't think it'd be right if I called someone else out. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
@Toast I've looked and I still don't see a good case against me xD The us "slip" wasn't a slip at all in context. I thought my reasoning for my day votes were pretty logical. I guess it comes down to I didn't accuse people when prplhz asked me about night votes + lurking? | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
Forgot to do that before haha | ||
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BaronFel
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