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Still /in. Edit: Lol one or the other, gotcha. Probably should have read the whole thing first. Cat-woman is after two face and mr freeze? they seem like strange targets... Just a clarification: The mafia can't kill if hugo or deadeye die? | ||
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On February 06 2012 08:10 Bill Murray wrote: CC, really dude, the game hasn't even started yet, and you're trying to break it? They can't claim their own roles, so I was going to do it as a joke if my role isn't either of those. | ||
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Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started. My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance. Should be right after that though. I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately. That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead. To kick off some real discussion. I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP. Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies. Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on? | ||
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On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote: Way to go claiming Joker. Don't do that. We lose one vig for .,.... nothing, cuz Batman is helping us regardless of the situation. And his task isn't to shoot scum, it's to shoot 1 particular scum. He won't risk giving off info for the sake of helping town, he's 3rd party after all and only cares for his win. It's likely he'll DT ppl till he finds Hugo.And he can't hint at being batman at all. Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton. For the lack of a proper Random Voting Stage, I vote Kenpachi. Considering the current situation, it's justified and if it goes through, we'll have info at least. There's no mayoral elections so setup chat and strategies shouldn't make scum stick out too much in the thread. This, instead will. I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions. If town wins after the jokers dead, Batman wins too. Sure we could attempt to win without the aid of the neutrals, but why not use every advantage we can get? Any sensible Batman would work with us, because if he kills someone, the town knows the flip, and that's many more people on Batman's side trying to hunt the 'all precious' Hugo. | ||
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On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote: Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton. How exactly is that helping scum, and if it's truely helping scum so much, why did you call it a random vote? ##Vote rgTheSchworz | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Scum know that he's not lying . We can't know that. It's a random vote. Random votes don't help scum. They help us get info from reactions to that random vote I can't possibly know at this stage if Kenpachi is scum, but I voted him to get things going. On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote: I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Terribad for us. Contradicting yourself already? | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:29 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Contradicting yourself already? This guy is pushing Kenpachi with fear tactics, his excuse for voting is hiding behind a random lynch in the former, which is an attempt to negate any pressure he might face when Kenpachi turns out to be town, which he feels he needs, because he is scum and is the first voter. In that second quote, notice how you break it down into a question of which town role he is? A townie would have thought to reiterate all possibilities. Also of note, Sheth already prompted that Kenpachi could be scum based off his claim, so it's not actually an original thought. | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: WHAAAAAAT??. No contradiction buddy, Lemme explain better: He claims green. This is sub-sub-optimal blue play, as it puts him into spotlight too early and is basically useless. He could as well stay hidden. So, either he's green or scum- at least that's what I think Either way, scum know his role. They know that he's not lying about being green or they know he's scum and perhaps the GF himself. Why else claim green? Either way, Town has to lose from his claim.I'm not advocating a straight-away lynch, we still have time to debate. But a first vote is completely justified, it will certainly make scum take a stance instead of sitting around while you lazy-asses talk about Batman Batman doesn't help town. He has to kill ONE scum only. Why would he scumhunt once the Joker is dead? He won't. He'll sit back, trying to apear moderately town, while he's DT-ing ppl who look scummy. Then he'll kill Hugo once he finds him. He won't scumhunt. He'll manhunt Town has nothing to lose, unless they make a claim that nothing can be made of an issue, as you were attempting to do. As such, pushing Kenpachi for his claim is your scum agenda. Batman has no motivation to simply sit back and watch. The faster town can hunt Hugo, the less Batman risks being end games. Additionally, the Bat can't die at night, so if he's extremely pro-town, he at much less risk of being lynched if it comes down to the end game. Short of knowing her targets, Catwoman will be essentially hoping for a mafia victory, and thus killing the most pro-town people. If we neutralize Catwoman ASAP, and get Batman on our side, we gain a massive advantage. Yes we lose three townies in the immediate future, but it's better than risking losing more when we don't have to. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. | ||
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That is why we should give up the Joker. | ||
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On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote: Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing. If the early DT checks die, it was all for naught. He might as well shoot into the dark. | ||
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And we kill docH because he's catwoman | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote: glad you asked: the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key. that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games. it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint. You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i9O8W.png) Dumb players still exsist in town/scum/neut, you might want to shade that somehow. On February 07 2012 07:17 Kurumi wrote: What the hell are You trying to force a modkill or something also, brilliant plan, too bad it's only one sentence... No. Because you want Batman aiming for townies right? On the DocH-Catwoman thing (filter) If we use my plan, Batman is almost a non-issue, but that's one less person for DocH to throw up on the stand before he goes up there. Notice the tendancy to talk about neutrals. He dismisses things about Batman, but trys to avoid talking about Catwoman to a large extent, and attempts to use it to make the neutrals look like they pose no threat at all. What struck me the most, notice how he has a game-plan layed out for neutrals getting town credit, yet Batman wouldn't need town credit in my plan at all. | ||
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