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Hello,
I posted a similar thread yesterday which Chill closed after explaining his reasoning. However the situation has gotten worse today and thus the topic deserves to be reopened.
As I'm sure you are aware there are currently six active threads in the SC2 general section concerning the Naniwa situation, and an additional three ("Is GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem?", "Idra and Sen to Code S", "Culture, Context, and Professionalism in eSports") which are ostensibly covering a broader topic but in which the discussion has inevitably devolved into just the Naniwa situation. I was just wondering at what point the mods will deem a thread redundant and close it? It's making the SC2 general section look unbecoming of teamliquid.net and impeding discussion of other SC2-related topics which can't stay on the first page.
The "Naniwa did not lose an earned code S spot" thread, for example, has an OP which offers nothing that hadn't already been discussed or mentioned in more than one of the other threads. The author just points out that Naniwa's Code S spot wasn't technically revoked. Another thread even has the title "NaNiwa not invited to Code S" which should provide some indication of redundancy.
At the very least, if you claim that the OPs are not in fact redundant, these threads could be moderated to eliminate redundant discussion by posters. As it stands there is little moderation in any of these threads, even for egregious comments such as those attacking arguments on the basis that the poster is Swedish and therefore biased in Naniwa's favor.
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Its more often then not naniwa related thread occupying four out of the top five in the sc2 general. Its a lot worse then pretty much any other drama.
Its also pervading into the discussions for everything else. from state of the game to even the sc center. Its looking a lot like reddit and that makes me sad.
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On December 15 2011 02:13 sermokala wrote:
Its more often then not naniwa related thread occupying four out of the top five in the sc2 general. Its a lot worse then pretty much any other drama.
Its also pervading into the discussions for everything else. from state of the game to even the sc center. Its looking a lot like reddit and that makes me sad.
Not to mention the fact that there are currently NINE threads with a combined total of nearly 9,000 posts discussing the Naniwa situation.
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Quite hard to moderate something like this. Even MLG seems to be a bit confused, the "did not lose an earned..." is redundant, but you can see that some did not know this (like MLG perhaps?).
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
Lee
Chill could say the same like yesterday, every thread started with another theme but ofc all will come to the same discussion. And it will come next year too when we see IdrA in GSL.
If I was a mod I would probably make one or two days vacation till everything settled down/shut down TL for an hour and officials say more about it + Show Spoiler +joke ofc, but I sure would not have to deal with it at the moment
It´s not as if the mods did nothing, most threads have Notes on top and >10 threads were closed.
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I guess you are right the mods aren't doing their work and the forums are becoming un-teamliquid like... Are you serious?
The mods have been doing a ton of work to try and keep this from spilling over even more. Squashing any thread that is not directly related to it is not the fault of the thread, but the fault of the posters. Maybe ban the posters who derail all of these threads and it won't be so bad. You have touched on this and I would say maybe use your report button instead of bashing all of the TL staff & community because the forums aren't up to your standards today. GG.net or Reddit are also choices for you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/hot.php shows what people are looking at, might not be your cup of tea but the masses speak. I for one am trying to avoid it by going into other forums on the site, but when I come in here and see another thread on naniwa, it makes me frustrated that it is in this is spilling out into the website feedback again.
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the threads are being closed one by one. the rest seem pretty legit to keep open. so I guess this is pretty closed for me.
I've been useing the report button a bit more recently then normal I hope it helps somehow.
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I was surfing TL earlier at work and saw every naniwa thread opened was being closed within a couple of mins. TL mods have been working overtime trying to keep on top of this, wouldn't be surprised to see stricter measures taken if these threads continue to pop up
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They're trying their best. I mean, you just can't keep people from talking if they want to talk.
People are very passionate about their statements. Everyone wants to clear up some misinformation; that's why so many people want their post to be an OP instead of just mentioning it deep in a thread. An OP is many many many more times likely to be noticed.
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Osaka27118 Posts
And in 72 hours they will all disappear and we will move on.
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Old man river watches time flow by...
If you want to know where 99% of the Naniwa threads end up, check out the closed section. P4NDemik had a field day. Perhaps this is appropriate
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ggZHE.jpg)
Hey mani, why the sig change?
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On December 15 2011 10:32 Chunhyang wrote:
People are very passionate about their statements. Everyone wants to clear up some misinformation; that's why so many people want their post to be an OP instead of just mentioning it deep in a thread. An OP is many many many more times likely to be noticed.
Actually this increases the misinformation.
When it comes down to it, this community just fucking loves drama for some reason. I can't figure out why, but every time there is some sensationalist story like this one, everyone feels the need to go to the nearest thread and completely over-react.
I think the archetype was the thread alleging Morrow and Sjow had fixed a match. A few dozen pages of bashing later, it turned out that the allegations were entirely fictitious. Or what about Gus (with the suitably sensationalist title). Yes, what Gus had done was horrible and asinine but did we really need like four threads each with 100 pages of people saying that exact same thing over and over? Eventually it spawned a slew of unsubstantiated crazy claims such as: the PPSL had cheapened out and bought the wrong network cables and let them sit where people could step on them thereby causing lag (yes someone went on at great length claiming this nonsense). Or what about idrA's 90 day ban, which resulted in Chill getting threats and hate mail and trashing of Cruncher in his own fan thread?
This happens over and over and over, and in many ways does the world of E-sports a disservice. I personally 100% support the mods in doing anything that they see fit in terms of clamping down on it. In E-sports as in the rest of life, there are going to be unfortunate, outraging, and sometimes polarizing things that happen. There are many TL members who need to learn to control their flipping rage and contribute meaningfully to the discussions. It's not the end of the world. It's never the end of the world.
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Osaka27118 Posts
Drama is killing ESPORTS.
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The lack of Shesports involved is killing drama.
didn't mean to post that..
Everyone just take a deep breathe. It will all pass in a few days. If new information is posted and the OP does not add it I'm sure a moderator will edit it in.
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