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meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
November 02 2011 23:51 GMT
#1
When the framers of the constitution wrote the Bill of Rights and granted Freedom of speech they not concerned with the right to watch porn. Free speech was important so citizens could criticize politicians in the run up to elections and influence them. Such criticism, was never intended to be limited to "free" criticism of just one person talking to another. "Freedom of the Press" was used for a reason. Printing presses were expensive, but they were also the most practical means of communicating your ideas and congress should not be allowed to regulate what political opinions are expressed with expensive printing presses.

Now, we have members of both the House and Senate announcing they are fed up with being publicly criticized on television by the American people. They demand the right to silence those who disagree with them.

Towards that end they have proposed this constitutional amendment:


Proposed Constitutional Amendment

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Section 1. The Congress shall have power to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate the contribution of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents to candidates standing for election to a federal office in the United States and to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate the expenditure of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents used to support or purchase media advertisements intended to influence the outcome of an election for federal office in the United States.

Whenever Congress should exercise such power, it must apply equally and uniformly to all individual persons recognized as citizens of the United States.

Whenever Congress should exercise such power on associations of citizens of the United States, it must apply equally and uniformly to all associations of citizens of the United States.

Section 2. Each of the several States shall have power to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate the contribution of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents to candidates standing for election to public office in the State and to prohibit, limit, and otherwise regulate expenditure of funds or donation of in-kind equivalents used to support or purchase media advertisements intended to influence the outcome of an election for public office or plebiscite in the State.

Whenever a State should exercise such power, it must apply equally and uniformly to all individual persons recognized as citizens of the State.

Whenever a State should exercise such power on associations of citizens of the State, it must apply equally and uniformly to all associations of citizens of the State.

Section 3. No person who is not a citizen of the United States, association of persons not citizens of the United States, foreign governments, or persons acting as agents thereof may contribute funds or donate in-kind equivalents to candidates standing for election to public office in the United States or otherwise expend funds or donate in-kind equivalents in a manner intended to influence the outcome an election for public office or plebiscite in the United States.

The Congress shall have exclusive power to enforce this section by appropriate legislation.

Section 4. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.



Previous Thread where I discussed Citizen's United
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270504

The first gross violation of an individuals rights has to do with outright banning non citizens from spending money in a way that might influence an election.
If some migrant laborer writes and publishes a pamphlet critical of a corrupt local politician are we really going to declare he has violated the constitution by exercising what were formerly his free speech rights? Free speech do not just apply to citizens any more than the right not be murdered applies to only citizens.
Furthermore this is all a distraction. These politicians do not care about foreigners criticizing them. They are worried about being criticized by Americans and are trying to use foreigners as Bogey-men to scare Americans into giving up their rights.


Under this amendment if Ban Ki-Moon or Kofi Anan or Tony Blair write and a publish a book that criticizes an American politician, then risk arrest the next time they visit the UN in New York.

What about Corporations? Almost every single corporation is included including all American TV stations and most newspapers.

Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly could be kicked off the air if they criticized a politician.

If a politician rapes a woman during a campaign she could not pay for an infomercial to make the rape allegation without Congress's say so.
It won't take congress long to set up a truth commission so that unless such allegations can be proven no money can be spent on such public accusations.

Televised debates would be impossible. A multinational Corporation like GE (owns NBC) would not be allowed to spend large sums of money to host a nationally televised debates between candidates when the whole goal of such a debate is to inform the voters and therefore influence the election.

This proposed amendment is a repeal of free speech in its worst form.

They have taken the most important part of the the most important amendment to the bill of rights and turned it on its head.

Instead of Americans having a right to political speech, it will instead be politicians who have absolute control on all political speech.

Sources:

New Mexican
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local News/Udall--Restrain-campaign-financing

Wall Street Journal
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/11/02/udall-goes-nuclear-proposes-amendment-to-wipe-out-citizens-united/?mod=google_news_blog

Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/citizens-united-constitutional-amendment_n_1069596.html

Amendment itself
http://www.scribd.com/doc/71154073/A-Constitutional-Amendment-to-Reform-Campaign-Finance

Tom Udall is the sponser.
There are several co-sponsers including Chuck Shumer.
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
November 02 2011 23:55 GMT
#2
This has nothing to do with politicians not liking being criticized (as I'm sure the majority of politicians would oppose this amendment) and everything to do with not allowing money to have unfettered control of political discourse.
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TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
November 02 2011 23:56 GMT
#3
Maybe I'm reading this incorrectly.
The way I read it, it sounds more like an action to stop corruption and influence of anyone running for or holding a government office. Am I incorrect?
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Dbla08
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
November 02 2011 23:59 GMT
#4
you're reading this incorrectly, and overreacting. although i understand an inhibition to change the 1st amendment, this looks to simply make it illegal for politicians to take/give money under certain situations. regulating the people that put the regulations in seems to be a good idea. unless im misunderstanding the wording, they're not repealing the 1st amendment, just amending it, by adding these things. so long as they're not removing the 1st amendment, this is a good choice.
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 00:01:25
November 03 2011 00:01 GMT
#5
lmao @ the OP. Come the fuck on. I have some land in Nigeria to sell you
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
November 03 2011 00:01 GMT
#6
This really has nothing to do with freedom of speech and much more to do with the fact that politicians should not be privately funded by anonymous donors?

Read the proposed amendments before crying wolf.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 03 2011 00:02 GMT
#7
This is how Fox News is gonna frame this to make sure it doesnt pass
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
November 03 2011 00:03 GMT
#8
On November 03 2011 08:56 TALegion wrote:
Maybe I'm reading this incorrectly.
The way I read it, it sounds more like an action to stop corruption and influence of anyone running for or holding a government office. Am I incorrect?


Thats what I got from reading it too. Trying to limit the power of money.
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mistermetal
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada76 Posts
November 03 2011 00:03 GMT
#9
lol Bill O'Riley you so crazy. Reading comprehension, man.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
November 03 2011 00:03 GMT
#10
Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly could be kicked off the air if they criticized a politician.


terrible. As much as these guys may be retarded or puppets or whatever its still terrible.

"As much as I disagree with what you say my good sir, I will fight to the death to defend you're right to say it."
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
November 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#11
Absolutely not. You can't make a thread about a political issue while framing it in the most inflammatory way possible.
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