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Mig
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1) No townies need to fake claim mute. There are virtually guaranteed to be some random townies who are mute to hide any possible snipers we have. So having people fake it is pointless. Along with that the ability to mason is very strong for town and hurts mafia a great deal. Mafia would love to fake claim mute so they didn't have to discuss things with people, don't give them an easy opportunity to do so. 2) Engineer invention - The only reasonable choices are 1) (medic) and 3) (watcher). If there is an engineer out there I highly recommend you choose watcher. Multiple recent TL games the town medics have badly fucked up the town by protecting mafia members. Watchers cannot help mafia by watching the wrong person. Along with that watchers actually make mafia less likely to hit the strong townies. Mafia are oftentimes willing to risk medics and hit a good townie because all they lose is a kp if he is saved. But if instead that person is watched the mafia is risking losing one of their members, and it makes it incredibly risky for mafia to ever double stack someone. I had to deal with this as mafia 2 games ago with foolish watchers are a huge bitch for mafia to deal with. 3) Balance - This won't really be applicable right now but in kurumi's last game I know he didn't RNG all the teams/roles completely and he balanced it fairly normally. So looking at the player list the top players would be myself/Curu/Palmar/ingonito/ and probably the smurf. There is around a 0% chance those 5 players are all town and I would say it is very likely 2 of those 5 are mafia and not just mafia but most likely the mafia power roles (GF, RB, etc). This doesn't do us much good ATM but everyone should be watching all of those players closely, especially as people die and there are fewer of them left. Finally my skype/aim is migcom123. Anyone who wants to contact me on there can. | ||
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If it just says someone then yea you are right forumite that is garbage. But if that is the case then kurumi basically made the engineer only have 1 power that is even of any use whatsoever. Might as well have just made the engineer a medic. | ||
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Forumite why couldn't mafia fake claim being burned? Mafia fake claim being rbd all the time even tho it draws attention to them. This is no different except that it hurts town a ton more because it draws potential medics. That being said I agree with the rest of your points concerning burn people claiming. So meh I am not sure what is best honestly. | ||
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And you realize that if tnkted posts this plan to list the mutes in thread and suddenly mafia starts sniping them it makes him look terrible right? Mafia are much more likely to pm everyone on their own than they are to post about it in the thread and risk the backlash. And maybe you would want to pm people to try and manipulate them but in general the ability to pm strongly favors townies. Your case against tnkted is incredibly weak you are stretching with almost all your statements to try and make him appear scummy. | ||
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Mig
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1) All of the analysis palmar has done this game has been half assed and incorrect. First of all his initial reason for voting Jackal is complete bs and factually wrong. I called him out on this on skype. Palmar voted Jackal because he said that when Jackal is town he gives more reasons for his votes. + Show Spoiler + [2:49:30 AM] Mig: man tho your initial reasoning for voting jackal [2:49:31 AM] Mig: so awful [2:49:46 AM] Mig: in ace's game all of jackals posts where he votes someone [2:49:49 AM] Mig: he says like half a sentence [2:49:57 AM] Mig: he voted wbg by just posting a picture [2:50:09 AM] Mig: and you use that as reasoning to vote for him and then use lotr meta as proof [2:51:34 AM] Mig: pretty much the worst meta argument I have ever seen just blatantly incorrect [2:51:49 AM] Palmar: read the other posts [2:51:59 AM] Mig: I just read all of his wbg and your posts again [2:52:21 AM] Mig: but all the reasons you actually listed in thread to vote jackal [2:52:24 AM] Mig: are straight incorrect [2:53:07 AM] Mig: like you went back to lotr to get that post of his to make your meta argument against jackal [2:53:12 AM] Mig: wouldnt you have also checked ace [2:53:14 AM] Mig: s [2:53:15 AM] Mig: game [2:53:19 AM] Mig: which just happened as well [2:53:44 AM] Palmar: I forgot that game, I also checked resurrection where he was scum [2:53:48 AM] Palmar: same thing, no informatino [2:54:00 AM] Mig: what [2:54:14 AM] Palmar: the point of it is he's stopping the flow of information [2:54:22 AM] Palmar: the meta argument is just to back it up for the newbies [2:54:29 AM] Mig: so you checked resurrection which is like 3 weeks old [2:54:37 AM] Mig: but ignored the game that just ended [2:54:45 AM] Mig: and forgot it wtf jackal was alive at the end [2:54:52 AM] Mig: we discussed at length about it [2:55:05 AM] Palmar: was jackal alive at the end in smg? [2:55:16 AM] Mig: he was the last person shot before game ended [2:55:21 AM] Palmar: I was scum in smg, I never actually read the threads when I'ms cum [2:55:30 AM] Palmar: so I didn't remember that one Ok so to summarize I tell Palmar his analysis is completely incorrect and if he had looked at Ace's game he would see that. So then he responds by saying he had forgotten about Ace's game and instead went back to resurrection mafia which ended weeks ago. This is bullshit for 2 reasons A) Ace's game was very close me him and jackal were all alive with 6-7 people left and we discussed at length what our best play was concerning jackal. There is no way he could have just forgotten about it. B) if he had actually gone back to resurrection to do research why didn't he quote any of jackal's posts as scum to use as evidence? He quoted a LOTR post to show what Jackal does at town surely if he had gone back to read res he would have quoted a Jackal scum post. He is lying. And Palmar has a history of trying to use bad meta arguments as scum. If anyone remembers personality mafia Palmar as scum used a terrible meta argument to try and get kurumi lynched day1. When Palmar is town his analysis is generally much more concrete and well thought out. His arguments this game are forced. 2) He is playing with a mafia mindset. I have been talking on skype to palmar and curu pretty much constantly throughout the game. I have been very suspicious of both of them so far, however a few hours ago I had to reconsider when Curu claimed to have an all black role pm. Even if Curu is mafia and had an all black pm he wouldn't post claiming that in the thread because he still runs the risk that townies names are blue in their pms. After seeing this I immediately rethought my suspicions and realized that Curu is most likely town. However look at how Palmar responded. Instead of reconsidering whether Curu could be town or not he instead immediately tried to twist it to make Curu appear scummy and serve his argument. Palmar isn't concerned at all about the possibility that Curu could be town and instead is only concerned with furthering his goals of lynching Curu. This and the fact that he didn't put any effort into actually researching his case against Jackal prove that Palmar is not playing with the town's best interests in mind. Palmar is a liar, Palmar is not trying whatsoever to actually do any real scum hunting or help the town, Palmar is playing a very mafia oriented game where he only considers his goals and not what will help the town. Death to Palmar! ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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WBG do you have any reason whatsoever to think that Palmar is town besides "the wagon starting too fast". And the wagon hasn't started quickly at all, he still only has like 5 votes on him so what are you even talking about. | ||
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2) His reaction to curu's claim is hella scummy. Like I said a normal townie should have at least considered that maybe curu could be town. Instead palmar ignored new evidence and just attacked him again. | ||
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And honestly Palmar really hasn't tried that hard to survive. Palmar is a townie at heart if he were really a dt I would expect him to be fighting non stop against this lynch and prevent the town from making a massive mistake. | ||
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