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I assume participating in this game doesn´t clash with the Werewolf Mafia game, we have other players from there in any case.
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/in I assume participating in this game doesn´t clash with the Werewolf Mafia game, we have other players from there in any case. | ||
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On August 24 2011 07:23 Eiii wrote: alright I hope that made sense. One more thing: What happens if an insane doctor visits EA? EA can only be killed by a lynch, so nothing happens. On breadcrumbing, without info-roles, it´s not that usefull in this game, and is more likely to attract attention from scum and EA, or plunge us into a WIFOM swamp, than actually aid Town. I advice against it, but it´s up to the player. | ||
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On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same. It´s been discussed earlier why breadcrumbs are bad, obvious posting of intent isn´t any better. Even if everyone claim they visit someone, there is information there. Either people lie, and we get WIFOM, or scum/EA picks up on it, and either attack those who are visited by many to find their enemy power-role, or stay away from those who are visited by anyone, to ensure their ability gets through. | ||
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On extension, if there are a limited number of uses, then I suggest we wait and don´t use one today, unless we are forced by not having a majority vote, because they will probably be better used in the late game. We should have about 25 hours left on the day, so there is still time to discuss this next lynch. | ||
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On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? | ||
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On August 25 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Alright sorry for actually mentioning visiting someone, didn't see the cons on breadcrumbing Breadcrumbing summary: The doc lies so mafia cant backtrack who healed the person they attacked accurately... so the doc cant breadcrumb The rest of town feign visiting and psych tells the truth because the psych is our best lead on finding the horror The forseen problem with that was that the EH would know who 'visited' them and if they didn't die, would know they were not worth a visit So what if town agreed to which person the psych visits anonymously? e.g. town agrees that psych should visit (I don't know, me?) and if the psych turns up dead we can assume hes (I'm in this case) the EH If players lie in breadcrumbing, then we get WIFOM and confusion. The doc can´t point at his breadcrumbs in case he is going to get lynched, so he´ll probably get lynched precisely because his breadcrumbs don´t add up with what is happening in the game. Scum and EA will analyse breadcrumbs, either getting valuable info, or a good alibi, which the Blues can´t contradict without outing themselves. It will create a mess, and we don´t want a mess. | ||
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On August 25 2011 02:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2011 02:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On August 24 2011 21:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The town has no way of knowing for sure who is the mafia nor the eldritch horror. It starts 9v3v1, assuming the mafia manage to hit town it's only ever going to go downhill unless we lynch and get lucky and/or someones percieved slip up is actually that. I'm thinking the plan to mention who we visited (even if we didn't) is better than nothing because *if* the psych happens to die there is a remote chance he did actually visit the horror That said, I'm going to kick things off and say I'm going to visit Erandorr, I advise everybody to choose someone and do the same. I never actually believed Palmar was anti-town, but there was an arguement against him and I didn't want to not lynch, so ##Unvote Now, having read up to this point, one person seems to be pushing the identity of the horror rather too strongly, don't you think? I'm thinking he's panicked from getting the third party role and tried to pin the blame on someone else from the get-go ##Vote: TheFerryman Note how Ferryman used examples of wiggles from other games, despite this being his first? I think he was likely looking at other games to see how a third party faction should be played, and just happened to come up with some 'evidence' that wiggles could be used as a scapegoat. Also I don't really think meta-arguements should be used, keep it within what's been said this game. On August 25 2011 02:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On August 25 2011 02:27 JeeJee wrote: On August 25 2011 02:07 Forumite wrote: On August 25 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote: On August 24 2011 21:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: While I still think Ferryman is the horror from my arguement on the bottom of the last page, it makes more sense to go mafia hunting instead, so: NO IT DOESNT. the most optimal play for town is to lynch EA day one. second most optimal is to lynch scum. this screams distancing himself from ferryman / setup for a future scenario. JeeJee, could you please explain how you reasoning here? if we kill EA, night is skipped My apologies, I forgot that. ##Unvote ##Vote MrWiggles just for references sake, i made a list posts so far since the game started 1. Mr. Wiggles 5 2. Cyber_Cheese 12 3. Sevryn 8 4. TheFerryman 12 5. chaos13 5 6. Palmar 14 7. Navillus 5 8. Eiii 2 9. JeeJee 2 10. Jackal58 11 11. Forumite 8 12. Erandorr 11 13. tnkted 18 both of eiii's were spent accusing palmar scum tend to stay really quiet on sc2 mafia, im not sure how forum mafia compares So what made you change your mind so quick, when neither me nor ferryman posted between these? Rather contradictory, don't you think? You've posted less, out of the two of you I'd rather ferryman based off that, and tnkted accusing me made me realise just how scummy I made myself look In my experience with SC2 mafia, only weak town roles accuse each other on day 1 because if they turn out to be wrong they're only townies So in your opinion, Wiggles and Ferryman are probably Scum? It doesn´t really add up with your earlier post, Wiggles might have few posts, but they are HUGE, he´s only posting long analysis and policy posts. Ferryman is quite active, and drew a lot of attention to himself early. If you are looking for players trying to stay out of sight, they look like very bad choices. | ||
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On August 25 2011 10:22 Navillus wrote: ##Extension, I want more time on this There were some changes, I don´t think extension is something we can vote to get, instead the day is extended by 24 hours if we don´t have a majority vote, which is currently at 7 votes on the same person at the deadline. | ||
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If at all possible, I want us to agree on a lynch within the next 7 hours. | ||
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As for me, I´m now considering Tnkted to be just as scummy as Cyber, but hiding it better. He is also a veteran player, Cyber can be excused as this is his first game, and I don´t like lynching a player on the first day in his first game. I also feel like there are more connections between Tnkted and other players, this is a weak scumtell but it´s the one thing I was missing when looking at Cyber. ##Unvote ##Vote Tnkted | ||
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On August 25 2011 20:32 Palmar wrote: I'd rather lynch almost everyone in this town than him. On August 25 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote: screw it, at least he can't call me mafia. someone hammer it so we can move on without extending the day. ##Unvote ##Vote tnkted Palmar, of all players in this game, you looked like the last one that would switch your vote, what changed your mind? | ||
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On August 25 2011 22:39 tnkted wrote: Hear, hear!I'm used to voting in a separate thread, where formatting doesn't matter as much :x On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote: Right... I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. | ||
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On August 25 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2011 23:07 Forumite wrote: On August 25 2011 23:01 Palmar wrote: Right... I have a new strategy, I'll never vote for people I think are town. I'll actually force a no-lynch over it. I'm just not going to spam the thread away trying to convince people I'm right. What's your reasoning to believe Wiggles is town? I don´t trust the primary argument made against him. Meta is usefull, sometimes, but I don´t think it´s applicable in finding a new kind of 3rd party with an unknown optimal play, especially as the meta argument focused specifically on his first post, which wanted to start a discussion more than anything. Since then wiggles has sometimes overreacted in his defences, there might be something there, but some players has said that Wiggles is hard to read, and I´m prepared to trust that Meta more than what Ferryman brought up. | ||
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On August 25 2011 23:33 Palmar wrote: Actually, fuck it, I hate losing. Tnkted is not scum because of this tiny little exchange. Show nested quote + On August 24 2011 00:57 tnkted wrote: On August 24 2011 00:55 Palmar wrote: On August 24 2011 00:46 tnkted wrote: On August 24 2011 00:29 Palmar wrote: I have discarded my win condition, my sole object this game will be to convince Jackal I'm town, seeing as it's a feat I've never achieved. Oh!? You have a win condition other than winning with town? derp. lololo #vote palmar Thing is, the lololo thing is too unforced, too reactive and too casual for him to possibly be scum. If he was scum, he'd know I was town and be a little more hesitant to take my "derp" as an admission of slipping up (whereas, it's real intention was to portray the silliness of the accusation upon tnkted). If he's scum he's really good scum. I don't think he'd ever do what he did there as scum. He could have pushed the same issue, trying to paint my joke as a slip, but he would have gone about it completely differently if he was scum. At first it looked like that, an easygoing joke-vote, but this dance has kept going, you and Tnkted have kept voting on eachother, and pushed weak cases, then later on backtracked to defend the other if it gets too strong. Make up your mind. | ||
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