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Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 13 2011 12:54 GMT
#23
/in !
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 09:56 GMT
#226
Okay good morning guys.
So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-)
Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this.

Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot.
You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia.
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?

Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D

Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning.
For some people this will be TL:DR
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 10:22 GMT
#230
On August 19 2011 19:08 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?

why so defensive bro?


Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 10:43 GMT
#235
On August 19 2011 19:30 supersoft wrote:
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On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:
On August 19 2011 19:08 Varpulis wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?

why so defensive bro?


Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts.


yeah, well i don't get what you want to tell us.
Who made this long post? DB or me?


Okay I try to formulate what I want to say a bit differently. You seem to be the kind of player that is may be a bit too agressive , at least from my point of view. You really have not said much at all, and what came out was basicly giving your whole thought process to everyone and accusing (although I agree on the target to a degree) after Palmar is giving his one liners that I will just regard as trolling as long as he doesnt back it up in some way. And that whole " I will hunt down the scum " thing you wrote seemed to be you trying a bit too hard, to be honest
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 11:12 GMT
#240
:D
1st. Do you know what time it is anywhere instead Europe right now? People might be sleeping still ( just a thought)
2nd I agreed already that he would make a good target. (If you would read what I say instead on twisting my words so it fits your rampage way of thinking)
3rd. Sorry that I am not as bloodthirsty and try to use "reason" and "logic" You are super defensive just because I have a different point of view then you. I did not defend DB , I disagreed with you, which in your book means "kill hiiim".
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 16:46 GMT
#274
On August 20 2011 01:43 Palmar wrote:
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On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote:
Nice stealth vote ray


Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p


how about you vote the crazy australian with a cricket bat instead?


Who might that be?
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 18:15 GMT
#291
On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:
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On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

##Vote DropBear

and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.


I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game?
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 18:39 GMT
#302
On August 20 2011 03:30 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 03:15 Erandorr wrote:
On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:
On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

[b]##Vote DropBe
and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Did you or
Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.


I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game?

Did you or varp read my post I said it was a pressure vote I don't need to believe palmar to pressure vote to try and find out if he is right...


Well that actually is a point well made , I guess.

By the way DB do you think that inofficial mayor role will ever be used in this game? you would have to have half voting for player A against the other half voting for B. And to be completely frank do you really think you would be a good fit for that role right now , with all the shit you seem to be getting from quite a few people in here?
It sort of seems like you are trying really hard to get a good position that screams "I am not scum" and that is very unlikely to ever matter at all
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 19 2011 20:33 GMT
#327
On August 20 2011 05:00 Foolishness wrote:
##Vote: DropBear for Mayor


Your thoughts behind this?
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 20 2011 13:05 GMT
#394
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.


No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum)
Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 20 2011 17:06 GMT
#427
On August 20 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote:
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.


No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum)
Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there.


no worries, we will. If you think I'm scum, vote for me, if not, go hunt scum instead of posting passively about your concerns for town safety.


Okay I think we actually will now but not thanks to you at all.
Sevryn is scum, the reasons why have been stated a lot already.
I do not buy your bearhunt, and although I dislike the way your argumentation works, I do not think you are the best vote right now either.
Sure these two said some questionable things , but in the end others said things that were far worse and both defended themselves rather well , or at least they did it at all.
I need to see more from Mig to decide one way or another, he too made a good case for himself.

Nard , xtfftc seem very scummy as well, but right now Sevryn is the safest bet, especially if we want to get something done.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 20 2011 17:33 GMT
#436
On August 21 2011 02:22 Palmar wrote:
what the fuck do you mean by safest bet?

Do you believe that he will flip scum Erandorr, are you completely sure he's red?


Well how would I be completely sure?
Out of those people accused I do think that he is the best target, that is what I mean by safest bet.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 21 2011 11:23 GMT
#669
On August 21 2011 18:02 Palmar wrote:
Can I yell at town now?


a beautiful good morning to you too

Palmar what are your thoughts about Vain ?
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 21 2011 11:29 GMT
#670
Or nard , rayzor xtfftc come to think of it
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 21 2011 14:08 GMT
#673
On August 21 2011 21:01 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 12:50 RayzorFlash wrote:
Just got back home and got a chance to go over everything that happened since my last post and woww, you guys seriously almost lynched me for (what seems to me like) no valid reason except that you didn't want to lynch Sev??

Anyways, as I said earlier, I fully expect to be on top of the most suspected list since Sev came up green, but I do wanna look at how exactly this wave of bandwagoning against me started...

Just to be clear:
- Jackal is against me because he thinks that, since I'm a new player, for me to be participating at all means I'm being coached, instead of meaning that I may actually have researched the game and have a sense of how to play??
- Sevryn was against me because I was making the strongest case against him, this one at least I understand...
- Palmar is against me... just because, i guess??
- Curu is against me for planning where to point the finger after the first day, without realizing that I actually said that the finger would be pointed at ME after the first day??
- And as far as I can see, everyone else just sort of climbed on top there??

I don't think any of these reasons is really strong enough to lynch me over Sev based on the evidence presented so far, yet you guys nearly did it... I must admit, I'm very surprised...

(Also, DropBear, filter Sev's posts, or check the voting thread... My stealth vote came before he pulled his vote off... It was definitely a pressure vote, though I don't know if it was done perfectly)

Also, saw somewhere in there that xtfftc asked who else would be on my list of people who have aggressively attacked Sev... it would be:
- Myself
- Nard
- Munk-e
- Mig


lol. nard defended severyn. That list is completely useless. You're scum as well as nard. You don't have to take any responsibility for the severynmislynch.

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On August 21 2011 03:18 nard wrote:
anyone care to write up the current vote situation? we need to focus our votes, a no-lynch would be the worst outcome today. I'd do it myself but have only ~40 mins left until i leave the house for today and i prefer eating dinner over re-reading the whole thread

from reading the last few pages the current lynch options which have a chance of reaching 50% seem to be brownbear and sevryn. palmar is still being attacked by some - please stop voting for him because he used a... different tactic to get responses on day1 (i ask you to reduce your tunneling though - it's not a helpful playstyle over a longer period). he is not a good choice for a day 1 lynch.

now, to decide between brownbear and sevryn:
sevryn's case has been made, but sadly this quote is so true:
Show nested quote +
Yeah his reasons are pretty stupid. Guess what: townies are usually way more stupid than mafia.

he cornered himself in a bad spot early on - i'm looking forward to his next posts after not answering ~5 pages of accusations against him. this can wait until day 2 or 3 though - i want to see more posts of him before a possible lynch.
Palmar's case against brownbear is reasonable, especially the part about diverting his vote to JeeJee out of (nearly) nothing. why JeeJee instead of one of the many other inactives? also brownbear seems to not really get Palmar's intention with his tunneling - it's not about the tunneling ("pressuring", lol) but the responses from the pressured person as well as other responses to the over-the-top tunneling.

i will check the thread after dinner again and put my vote, so far im inclined to vote brownbear - i want to see that voting list beforehand though to make sure we get a lynch today.



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On August 21 2011 03:56 nard wrote:
ooooh there is a voting thread ,_,

On August 21 2011 03:33 supersoft wrote:
perfect, xtfftc and nard both refuse to vote for sevryn and say they want to wait until he defends himself. There is no reason not to vote him until he defends himself.


whats the matter with you twisting around my posts? what do we get from lynching him today? the case against him will be the same tomorrow. also if you read my post again (try it a bit slower this time) i reasoned against it because if he is indeed mafia, any additional post from him will help dig mafia's grave.

as the situation didn't change too much since my last post and we have a whole lot of people on sevryn already i will support the votes for brownbear to make a last minute change at least possible - i plead you to read the case against him and his posts again and think again.

##vote BrownBear
see you at night!


this BB accuse came out of the nowhere. Only Palmar voted for BB at this point of time.
Nard supported no reasons for that vote. The only hint can be found in this post:

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On August 20 2011 05:12 nard wrote:
Palmar: do you have any reasonable logic on why to lynch dropbear? you accused brownbear for a while in between, but you switched back to DB. Why??



Well Nard is scummy as fuck, no one disagrees with you.
But concerning Rayzor , Foolishness pointed out something interesting :
On August 21 2011 10:22 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 06:02 RayzorFlash wrote:
Sure, I'll gladly take the fall if Sev proves to be green, but I don't think there was anything scummy at all about my post. I think it would be good leads to go after anyone aggressively pushing for Sev if he's green, and I know i'm included in that list :S.

Does anyone think a scum would say such a thing? Especially considering he said this when everyone was voting for Sevryn?


What are your thoughts on that?
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 22 2011 13:40 GMT
#775
On August 22 2011 22:25 xtfftc wrote:
You know, here and there. Where are you?


Hes actually contributing.
I am at work and do not have much time, I will be available in roughly 3 hours I guess
A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck.

On August 21 2011 10:38 Foolishness wrote:
Can someone remind me tomorrow that we should kill Vain?


Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 22 2011 14:29 GMT
#781
On August 22 2011 23:15 Palmar wrote:
So, here's the thing I don't understand chaos13:

First off, after re-reading everything you've posted I find it hard to believe you are scum because of this little thing here, from the post where you originally voted for me:

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On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..."
Any explanation for this?


You see, I don't see why any mafia would ever point this out, because it basically is giving credit to someone who is controversial. Sure, you may not have followed through and voted on me anyway, but it's still something to consider. Some people might actually believe you and consider this a scumslip by DB, and by extension a confirmation of myself.

Thing is there are some things in your posting that make absolutely no sense though. Like are you seriously posting shit like this?


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On August 22 2011 03:39 chaos13 wrote:
On August 22 2011 03:35 Palmar wrote:
im just going to pretend ve doesnt exist, he's town anyway.


I point out your scumminess and suddenly I'm scum, and apparently should be vigi hit.

Viscera points out your scumminess and he's town.

HMMMMMMM


and this (anyone who has ever played with VE, knows why this post is super-scummy)


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On August 22 2011 03:36 chaos13 wrote:
On August 22 2011 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro:

Palmar isn't raging. He's trying to manipulate town with an appeal to emotion. I'm surprised he's even trying, it's one of the most obvious scum-tells there is. Regarding Rayzor, if he was a good enough target to risk a no-lynch today with your ill-fated vote-switch, what has changed in your opinion that makes him not-so tomorrow?

Palmar:

You're better than this. Your play has NOT been good, you haven't provided ANYTHING aside from your weak case against DB, and admittedly I haven't read your case against BB yet (I'm working on it). The fact that you're using that as a reason to rage when everyone here knows you're better than that makes me very suspicious.


Finally somebody smart gets in here. I can't believe people let Palmar away so easily.


Let's assume for a second you don't think I am scum, and in turn I'll think for a second you might be town aligned.

What would you think about lynching BrownBear. I will give my thoughts on your lynch target of choice after I've done re-reading his posts.

Hey Palmar could you pretend for one second that I exist and answer my question ? :D
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 22 2011 14:52 GMT
#788
On August 22 2011 23:45 Palmar wrote:
in addition, I will provide this link here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=4640

Enjoy, it's a must read.


Done with that , what now? Maybe you could tell me whom to vote for , you seem to be very good at that
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 22 2011 14:57 GMT
#791
On August 22 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 23:52 Erandorr wrote:
On August 22 2011 23:45 Palmar wrote:
in addition, I will provide this link here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=4640

Enjoy, it's a must read.


Done with that , what now? Maybe you could tell me whom to vote for , you seem to be very good at that


BrownBear.


Yup pretty scummy , but I would still love to hear your thoughts on the people Supersoft and I have mentioned earlier
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
August 22 2011 14:58 GMT
#792
Actually not even that scummy compared to others its just that you have been repeating it for so long that I actually started to get brainwashed
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