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On June 27 2011 01:19 Ace wrote: LSB and Caller still need to confirm. 12 hours from now Night 0 ends. Sorry about that, is it too late to /confirm? Anyways time to start the readthrough | ||
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On June 25 2011 13:14 GMarshal wrote: 1.) We disbelieve all roleclaims. The game is no flip, so any claims are completely unconformable! I for one will ignore all claims. Since we can't prove them, then they have no bearing, ignore *all* claims. 2.) Since there is no flip there is no way to confirm dts. So we hang any dt who claims to have found mafia and then we lynch their claimed check. No questions asked, this is a good trade for the town 1:1 and a terrible trade for mafia. With this policy we keep the mafia from fake claiming to fuck with us. I Am deeply troubled by this post. First of all, having blue roles is always better than having no blue roles. I'd rather play a game with 9 greens 5 blues 4 reds (Numbers may not be accurate, but if they are, I take all credit) than a game with 14 greens and 4 reds. Secondly, lets think, have we ever played a no reveal game where blue roles were used? Yep! TL Mafia XXXVI In this no role reveal game, greens were instrumental in pinning down and hunting the mafia from a near lylo situation. In fact, Gmarshal was in it, and he saw how blue claims preformed in the game. Gmarshal should know that blue roles are extremely useful, even if they cannot be confirmed. Now this makes me pretty suspicious of GMarshal, but keep in mind, he probably prepared the post before game and would post it no matter what alignment he got. Of course, he's not the first one with This Idea | ||
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On June 27 2011 21:40 Amber[LighT] wrote: Also the magic number is 9, but we're going to strive to get the vote number up to 13. This means every mafia can try and 'vote swap' and their attempts will fail. The number is always Magic Number + Potential Mafia Total, so remember it. Just saying, the momement the magic number hits, the vote ends. This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the majority has voted or after the deadline has passed will not count. So how about a Big Bold FOS on anyone who hammers without a good reason Although Gmarshal is not with us and probably is town, I think I should still answer this. On June 27 2011 12:24 GMarshal wrote: Anyway, this is a closed setup XXXVI was semi-open, this means that fake claims are a lot easier to pull off here. If I claim something like Funerary House Director and make up powers to go along with it, well then, how are you going to prove me wrong? Also IIRC the only claim that was carried out in XXXVI was a fake dt claim by the mafia, to get a SK lynched, which was only counteracted by some screwiness with missing PM's for the serial killer or something like that. Still its been a while, and I've learned a lot about playing mafia since then. Firstly, although there was a fake dt claim, it was the counter claim by the third party that shut down the claim. Fake claims are something we're going to have to accept as necessary hazard in working in a closed setup, and actually can help the town as it spotlights attention on mafia, something they try to avoid. In addition, the semi-openess doesn't matter. It's just like XXXVI, sure you know that there could be a DT (and we're pretty sure there is a DT in this game), but you don't know if there is 1, 2 or even none at all. The fake claim is just as easy to pull off. | ||
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Night 0 Mafia hits GMarshal Caller hits GGQ This is my interpretation, but it would be useful if I just kept this up. | ||
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On June 27 2011 22:57 Kurumi wrote: LSB,why the heck are You discussing night hits when we don't know shit,why do You suspect Caller killing GGQ? I know there are people with motive to kill GGQ,but betting it on Caller just because is dumb. I think we should leave Night hits for now. Well considering no one has counterclaimed Caller right now I'm inclined to believe him. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 13:16 Caller wrote: oh wow ggq, sorry bro, if i had known that sodomy left your anus open enough to make you "annihlated" i woulda not brought that horse in. also ace you gave me a buggy role where is my shot and my save How about you? What do you think about Caller's claim? Is he fooling around? Or is he serious? | ||
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On June 27 2011 23:15 Kurumi wrote: He claimed three roles at once,so he is vanilla or veteran,is that so hard? I do not follow that logic. | ||
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On June 28 2011 02:41 deconduo wrote: Yes I have and he was terrible in both games. He got lynched in both games and thoroughly deserved it. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 13:18 Fishball wrote: Why am I Town again. I loathe Town. Useless On June 25 2011 13:27 Fishball wrote: Mafia list: 1. GCQ 2. GMarshal 3. ??? 4. ??? Awesome, both dead. Only 2 mafia left now. Useless On June 25 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Can't we just start the blood shed now. This is boring. Useless On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. Complains and doesn't help at all. In other words useless, On June 26 2011 06:53 Fishball wrote: First, I only asked a question regarding the logic behind this Day 1 lynch discussion on a Night 0 start. This is far from "shooting down the current discussion". For all I care, you guys can just ignore what I said and continue. Hell we only have 6 hours or so left. Second, if you're too dumb to figure out a better topic, that's your problem. Like I said, I asked a question; I'm not here to give answers. More complaining and doing nothing. On June 26 2011 08:39 Fishball wrote: - Who says I have to bring up another topic? - When did I insult other players? I said "If you're" - Bad reading comprehension is bad. - Refusing to contribute? You obviously don't see what I see. I'm keeping a close eye on all those who have proposed their grand lynching plan. Defends himself but still doesn't give anything useful. On June 26 2011 09:20 Fishball wrote: How can you forget? You had half a hand in it. In DrH's experimental game, I purposely got myself lynched as a social experiment and player profiling. Then I was also lynched in PYP3 where I was the Traitor, which was to be expected after lynching you confirmed a Traitor existed in the game and it was only a matter of time people worked up the list. My main purpose at that time was to waste as many lynches as possible. In short, I was never lynched as a real Mafia candidate ever since the start of TL Mafia in Feb 2008. Spam On June 26 2011 10:02 Fishball wrote: You can still push to lynch me. It does not matter to me, but other players might question your motives, whatever that motive is. Anyways, who are you killing tonight? Spam On June 27 2011 07:18 Fishball wrote: Ding Ding Ding. Finally someone notices their own mistake, whether legit or not. This is why I said - It's mind boggling to me that some players would not notice this, or they're doing it on purpose. I wonder why. Awesomely helpful On June 27 2011 23:23 Fishball wrote: Such a hypocrite, and daft to boot. Although after what you displayed in PYP3, I expected nothing less from you. Or do you have a different agenda? Oh well, time will tell. It is not likely this game will have that sort of setup. That would be way overboard. I'm more intrigued that you would even think that way. More useless stuff. Direct and to the point. If the point is to be utterly useless. Just saying, although I didn't follow PYP Insane, I'm pretty sure he was a greenie. And I dunno about you, but lynching greenies kindof unsettles me. | ||
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On June 28 2011 06:41 deconduo wrote: I'm like 75% sure you're green. You are just useless. Think of it as cutting off dead skin. About Fishball, he doesn't like to post what he considers useless, and that includes most of pre-game talk. And deconduo, what do you think, should we focus day 1 on policy lynches or scumhunting? | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:21 deconduo wrote: I'll deal with Fishball tonight. I think Caller is still a good option so that we might actually have some decent discussion tomorrow. Soft blue claim? | ||
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Tier 1 are medic protects, people that tend to die really early. Two seems like a good number to put there. Radfield dies early, and as for you, well you do got the rep that draws hits. Tier 3 are players who usually would not draw mafia hits and are good DT checks as they are the ones most likely to survive to the end. Normally they are newer players, however someone like Caller would normally be Tier Three cause so many people want him dead. Tier 2 is everyone else Now, this is not a defense of Chaoser, but I'm just oftly proud of (most) of my creations. Although it is easy to put together, As for Chaoser's true intent, well, I don't think calling out caller is anything original either | ||
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Now, back to the important stuff About Deconduo and Fishball Deconduo believes that Fishball should die, and would like nothing better to stand over his dead body. Fishball believes Deconduo is mafia (correct me if I'm wrong on this), and therefore wouldn't be able to vig shot him, but rather would use a mafia hit. What's an easy way to deal with this problem? Easy! Stick them in a cage and see who comes out alive. Just let deconduo shoot Fishball tonight. Oh, and can I please ask vigs to not hit people? Thx *If Fishball survives, well, deconduo has some explaing to do *If we find two bodies tomorrow morning, deconduo is a bit better off in his story *If all we find tomorrow is Fishball dead, one body. Well, back to square one. There! Clean and simple solution that doesn't waste a lynch | ||
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Certainly if we wake up tomorrow and Fishball and Caller are both killed, deconduo seems a bit more believable. If tomorrow only one person is killed, well something fishy went on and deconduo is a bit less believable. As for analyzing I'm getting a null read on Fishy, and deconduo I'm bothered by his confidance in his KP. | ||
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On June 28 2011 21:56 Palmar wrote: Hi, I want to write a little piece on the most helpful player in town. He thinks he's Ace, but he isn't. Also, he's bad. And he's scum. Nice analysis, only someone like you could honestly think such bullshit, but no worries, you can just hide behind the fact that "you're trolling". Oh wait, that's bad for town too. If you know something that the town doesnt, care to share? ok, so you're not only being deliberately bad, but you're also refusing to try to help. There's nothing to it but scum. Can we just shoot him yet? Intresting analysis. But why does "trolling" make someone mafia? If trolling makes someone mafia, shouldn't Caller also be in that list? Now to add my own two cents. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I haven't played with Kurumi yet, but a quick overview over his posting history shows that he normally isn't this aggressive. In addition, I don't believe he has played as mafia yet here, and the first time as mafia is always difficult. Could the aggressiveness be a sign of defensiveness? Or did I skim over his posts in XL too much? + Show Spoiler [Spam] + Ooh that's a clever flowchart, doesn't seem that fun but it helps | ||
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##VOTE: Chaoser Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote: LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole. I will gladly answer everything. Missed that game. All right, I'll take a look at it | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote: LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole. I will gladly answer everything. Your aggressiveness is new (from what I've gathered), your mafia experience is not. So I'll stick you back in the null reads box since Palmar cleared up his analysis. | ||
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On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use. All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. | ||
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So Unvote ##Vote: Deconduo | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote: And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom. | ||
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