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Best Player Never to Have Won A Starleague

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Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 17:37:23
May 14 2011 19:31 GMT
#1
EDIT: READ: (OSL FINAL SPOILERS) DO NOT READ THREAD & SPOILERS UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED ABOUT RECENT OSL FINALS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, DO NOT COMPLAIN.

UPDATE:

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CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR FIRST GRADUATE OF THIS POLL!

(P)JangBi is OFFICIALLY an OSL winner for all of history! Congrats to the God of Storms!


I was looking through the MSL and realized that there were so many players I forgot had won a starleague, and probably never expected them to. This led me to think...

Straightforward question:

Who do you think, from CURRENT ACTIVE players ONLY, is the best player NEVER to have won a Starleague? This can include anyone from ACE. Let me know if I left your favorite player out, I tried to add as many as I could, but the poll limit... I ended up mostly based off ELO peaks.

Vote according to WHATEVER criteria you want. I personally was thinking: "At any one point in their careers, they really deserved to have won a Starleague." Which explains why people like Jangbi are on here.

READ: You'll notice I purposely left out (Z)one very important person. This is because I cannot bear to let this person become #1 on a poll, which I know will happen. And as an eternal SCBW fan, I can't let that happen, can I?

Poll: Best Active Player Never to have Won a Starleague?

Sea (382)
 
31%

Zero (144)
 
12%

Kal (135)
 
11%

Jangbi (135)
 
11%

Midas (98)
 
8%

One of ACE (Iris, Much, FBH, Ruby) (86)
 
7%

Leta (85)
 
7%

Best (58)
 
5%

Light (38)
 
3%

Baby (37)
 
3%

Other (who?) (23)
 
2%

free (10)
 
1%

1231 total votes

Your vote: Best Active Player Never to have Won a Starleague?

(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Zero
(Vote): Kal
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): Midas
(Vote): Best
(Vote): Baby
(Vote): Jangbi
(Vote): Light
(Vote): free
(Vote): One of ACE (Iris, Much, FBH, Ruby)
(Vote): Other (who?)



NEW EDIT:

Just to give you more info on the players, because people are raising some good points and others are blissfully unaware of the unfortunate-ness of these poor players =(

(T)Sea: the tragic hero. Known as the Destroyer of Proleague, and the Ro16 Bonjwa. TL's lovable Yum Bo Sung once was #1 on the Power Rank, holding incredible records and streaks in PL, and virtually ALWAYS made the R-16... sigh. You can guess what's next. Ro8? Sigh =(

(P)Kal: Forgotten fact: did you know Kal was once in a MSL final against Jaedong? POOR GUY =( =( =(
Let's cheer you up with Fun MSL Facts! On his way to beat Kal in the final, JD had also beaten a very young Flash 3-1. Then, JD beat Mind 3-1. Then, Jaedong beat Kal 3-1. Go JD's famous 3-1!
Then, next season, fOrGG beat Kal in the Ro8 3-2. Then, fOrGG beat Flash 3-1 in the Semis. Then, fOrGG ate JD for breakfast in the legendary 3-0 final.
Then, next season, Jangbi beat Kal in the Semis 3-1. Then, Jangbi lost to Bisu 3-1 in the final.
Then, two seasons later, Jaedong beat Kal 2-0 in the Ro16.
Then, next season, Jaedong beat Kal 3-0 in the Semis.
Then, two seasons later, Jaedong beat Kal 2-1 in the Ro16.
... POOR KAL =( =( =( =( he must really hate JD.

(Z)ZerO: Fun Fact!! Did you know Zero has lost more vZ's in his career... than his losses vT & vP COMBINED? Count: 81 > 76 (40 + 36).
Did you also know this question was purposefully badly phrased to overemphasize how the OP is sad Zero loses vZ's? And that he has played 160 vZ's and 175 vP+vT? So the above stat was actually completely misleading you?
But the OP is very sad for Zero's vZ at 49.69% (T_T) and why the HELL did he have to play so many vZ's... and still be bad at it?!?!

(T)Midas: Midas... what needs to be said about this guy? Apparently, too much. To be honest, I kinda hoped that he would be winning this poll. For those of you asking why, some of his greatness can be seen here.

(T)Light: There are sooooo many things we could say about Light:
____________________, _________________________________. _____________________
_____________________. ________________________, _____________________________
_______________________, ______________________________________. _____________
and those are some of the reasons why Light is so amazing.

(P)JangBi: Oh, Jangbi. One of the most puzzling characters in all of SC, in my opinion. He was hailed as possibly the next Protoss B-(CENSORED by Bisu fanboys) by many, and then he hit something. No, it wasn't a slump. It was more like five million tons of WTF. Check out this CRAZY stat:
From August 1 2010 to May 1 2011, Jangbi compiled an incomprehensible 25.64% record.
O_O HOLY. CRAP.

(T)firebathero: Fantastic. Ridiculous. Legendary.
Nothing more needs to be said.

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If you want everyone to know some more interesting stats, let me know! Post them up and I'll put them into the OP!+ Show Spoiler +
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BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 04:11:30
May 14 2011 19:32 GMT
#2
NOTES & CBNC:

FAQ:

Why so few Zergs?
Firstly, some well-performing Zergs (i.e. Calm & Hydra) have already won MSLs, surprisingly. (EDIT: I'm sorry! I earlier accidentally put Great from Samsung Khan on the 'won MSL' list, but I completely forgot he got Silver. But I honestly don't think many people wanted him on poll anyway...)

But what about the immortal (Z)Neo.G_BONJWA?
Personally, I thought he's an amazing kid and has a ton of potential, but with an ELO peak lower than (P)LuCifer's and often overshadowed in starleague accomplishments compared to his big bro Zero, I left him off the list. Arguably better than several on the list, though.

What about Stats / Hiya / Roro / Killer / Snow / Really?
Get back to me when they get far in a Starleague. All have great potential but I think they're unproven yet, as compared to some of the awesome performers on the list.

Why the heck are free/BeSt/Kal/Jangbi up there?
Former glory. Six Dragons, anyone?

Any more questions? Let me know!
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 14 2011 19:36 GMT
#3
To be honest, all of these guys have such roller coaster gameplay...
A while ago I used to think it would be Kal but obviously right now...

I'll stick to my guns and hope for the best

And do you mean "CBNC"?
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Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
May 14 2011 19:36 GMT
#4
On May 15 2011 04:36 Taekwon wrote:
To be honest, all of these guys have such roller coaster gameplay...
A while ago I used to think it would be Kal but obviously right now...

I'll stick to my guns and hope for the best

And do you mean "CBNC"?

LOL whoops thanks!
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 19:39:16
May 14 2011 19:38 GMT
#5
Yellow

oh, purposely left him out. I guess whoever gets voted 1st here will be the 2nd best, so they'll be the next kong line
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
May 14 2011 19:39 GMT
#6
midas or yellow
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 19:40:38
May 14 2011 19:39 GMT
#7
On May 15 2011 04:38 Milkis wrote:
Yellow

^Plz refer to the big bolded "READ" ^_^
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 19:43:37
May 14 2011 19:42 GMT
#8
Zero is too inconsistent...
Jangbi was a beast, now is way beyond his prime... and got title blocked by luxury, similar with Best and July
Sea and free are consistent but not amazing.
Kal and Light have their moments but they dont seem to last too long.

Well I went with Leta... sure he's never been anywhere near a contender of a title, but well I was more posting in a wishful thinking.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 19:45:50
May 14 2011 19:42 GMT
#9
Jangbi, Kong line, silver miner, has three silver medals, ELO peak over 2300. If Yellow deserves a gold, then so does Jangbi.

Midas, best Terran of his time, a true SKT terran, overshadowed and eliminated from the leagues by Savior. Without a doubt, Midas at his peak was a gold medal contender.

Leta, debuted as PL bonjwa, went almost 80% win rate in ace matches across 20 ace matches. He looked as hot as Effort did. Unfortunately, he never achieved anything in SL. Luxury cockblocked both Leta and Jangbi during his MSL run.

Out of the ones on the poll, those three were definitely gold contenders during their peaks. BeSt's peak was a bit too short. Sea was consistent, but never looked like a gold medal contestant. All the other ones including even Kal were never the best of their respective eras.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
May 14 2011 19:43 GMT
#10
Jangbi may have been the best player in the world for some time, this can't be said about any other from the list.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45995 Posts
May 14 2011 19:44 GMT
#11
Besides Yellow... don't know.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 14 2011 19:45 GMT
#12
tough to pick but ACE aka Iris should get some love, hasn't got a single vote yet ^^
beep boop
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
May 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#13
lol @ sympathy for THE #2. :D

I voted for Best. He has had his ups and downs of course, but he has been among the very best for a long time now.
Baby probably has the best chances for a win in the future though. There's still some way to go for him.
화이팅
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#14
That's a really good poll.

My vote goes to Midas tho. He was so good in proleagues but in starleagues he often got eliminated by savior. Midas would probably have 1 or 2 titles if he would have been able to pass through savior (They played close and exciting series).

But there are a lot of good choices there.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
May 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#15
Voted for Kal. Last year he was so good but kept bumping into Flash and Jaedong in every tournament

BeSt and Midas was also sick good when they were in their prime.

And Sea with 60% winrate yet no title
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
May 14 2011 19:49 GMT
#16
Sea deserves a title. Unfortunately, he gets knocked out too early in individual leagues. :/
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
May 14 2011 19:49 GMT
#17
LIGHT without a doubt. Also the most underestimated player. Leta/Kal/Midas/Jangbi aren't even close.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
RushWifDietCoke
Profile Joined May 2008
United States488 Posts
May 14 2011 19:50 GMT
#18
On May 15 2011 04:38 Milkis wrote:
Yellow

oh, purposely left him out. I guess whoever gets voted 1st here will be the 2nd best, so they'll be the next kong line


Agreed. Voted for Sea, great player all around and some of the best TvZ there is but he just doesn't seem to have any success in the individual leagues. Jangbi came in a close 2nd though. Ahhh Much seeing you listed as just another Ace player . CJ has never been the same since you left man!
Nothing to it but to do it.
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
May 14 2011 19:51 GMT
#19
Best player to have never won a starleague?

BeSt
Denizen[9]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States649 Posts
May 14 2011 19:52 GMT
#20
Baby cuz he doesn't show his potential in starleague
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