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On April 30 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote: /out My nemesis has been defeated bwahaha! Now I can make absurd, poorly thought out roleclaims and get away with it! | ||
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On May 02 2011 18:15 Barundar wrote: Wednesday, May 04 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) .... right? Lol Barundar you'll be listened to eventually  On April 27 2011 22:59 Barundar wrote: I would definitely recommend the [time ] command to anyone who host, it's a great feature for us who really can't tell the difference between the US time zones  Does the date tag do the whole thing? Or is it better to use time? I might have to steal that idea! | ||
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On May 02 2011 18:36 GMarshal wrote: shhh, don't let them know about the secret mechanics yet... This delay has nothing to do with any secret roles or mechanics that may or may not be able to influence the flow of time in the game! Carry on now! And so Barundar was Really looking forward to this! | ||
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On May 04 2011 16:27 redtooth wrote: + Show Spoiler + Longpost: Hello all. Your friendly neighborhood redtooth (aka WRAWRAWRAWRA) here. I've been gone from this forum for quite a long time so there are a lot of new faces that I don't really recognize. Some of you I do recognize but it has been too long for me to remember your meta anyways. Before we continue, let's just lay down a framework-of-sorts for being awesome: Rule 1: Don't lurk Lurking is bad - this is the first thing you should learn as a mafia player. In a worst-case scenario, the town may policy-lynch you and waste an entire day simply because you were too forgetful or too lazy to post . In a best-case scenario, you are still a potential scum suspect simply because you were lurking, a situation that could have been avoided had you actively contributed to the thread. If you want to win then don’t lurk. However, lurking isn’t limited to not posting either. “Active lurking” (the act of posting already stated ideas or not contributing any novel content in a post) is just as detrimental to the town and should be avoided at all costs. You don’t have to reinvent the wheel with every post but do your best to be as pro-town as possible in each and every post. Rule 2: Don't spam While activity within the thread is highly encouraged, creating meaningless and contentless clutter is just as anti-town an action. There will be varying degrees of time commitment exhibited by the other players and it discourages people from actively and substantively posting if there are 30 pages of clutter they have to go through every time they log on. That means no one-liner posts, even if they are votes (you should be explaining your vote anyways). Also included in that category are off-topic shit, comments on how exasperated you are, etc. On the flip side, don’t create massive walls of quotes as they simply get gleaned over more often than not (I am breaking my own rule here with this post). Random townies are more likely to quit out of boredom than scum are so try your best to be concise and be precise. On that note, if non-players (coaches, audience, not-mods) could keep their discussions out of the thread the town would greatly appreciate it. Let’s create a clutter-free environment. Rule 3: Never Give Up This is directed at townies. If you're scum, by all means feel free to give up and get modkilled or bussed. However, as mentioned above, it is likely that townies will lose interest in the game much faster than scum will. There are two provisions to this rule: don't stop participating and don't stop defending. Sometimes your ideas are overlooked or cast aside simply due to the number of strategies or targets being promoted. That doesn’t mean you should stop participating. The town may be tunneling, they may be overlooking something, you may see a scumtell nobody else believes, etc. Each members’ participation is vital to a successful town operation. Also, there will be cases where you feel extremely frustrated at the (bullshit) evidence being thrown at you despite the fact that you are town. While you may not want to purposefully drag attention to yourself beforehand (since it would be better served looking for actual scum), you should relish the opportunity to defend yourself. A well explained defense can raise the confidence others have in you and gives you more credence in town. Also, getting lynched when you’re town is not only bad for yourself but bad for the town. Do your best to stay alive. No matter how daunting the argument is, don’t give up and keep fighting until you take your last breath or the town sees the light. Rule 4: Kill Scum It’s such a simple rule but people (including myself) tend to forget it consistently. Every action you take should ultimately be an attempt to promote town activities and hunt/find scum. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is not something that we benefit from and only serves to boost your ego and create rifts in the town. However, if you really feel that playing devil’s advocate is necessary then by all means go ahead. At the same time, be wary of tunneling (focusing exclusively on one person) as your conviction may convince others to pursue an incorrect lynch. Always have an open mind and a desire to be correct more than to win in your argument. Just remember to keep the main objectives in mind: find scum, prosecute scum, lynch scum, beat scum. Rule 5: Have Fun Ultimately, the game is meant to have fun. I will be the first person to admit that this is not always the case as emotions often run rampant. However, do your best not only to have fun for yourself but to promote fun for others. That means trying not to get personal with arguments/defenses and trying your hardest to be the best player you could possibly be. Also, many players are discouraged when they are given the role of town. Sometimes we think it’s a curse to be one of the many generic roles. People have different tastes but I personally believe it to be just as fun (if not more fun) than being scum. If you’re still not motivated, think of it this way: while sheeping the town is a great feeling, there is no better feeling than nailing a good scum to the wall after a war of words. Be active, be intelligent, kill scum, and enjoy. Those were all I could think of for now. Follow these guidelines and SCUM WILL LOSE GUARANTEED. Go town! This post is kind of unnecessary. In answer to your question, I have played one game before (XXXVIII) in which I was a Mafia Roleblocker. On the first day of that game 2 people made long "policy" posts like this, GMarshal who was mafia and trying to look pro-town and Kavdragon who was townie and got lynched. You are either a mafia trying to hide in plain sight or just trying to launch some discussion. The lack of a mayor role to convince people that you are pro-town suggests mafia, your post history suggests that you talk a lot though. Your pushing of people also reminds me of DocH last game. You have piqued my interest but I'm not accusing you of anything just yet. Regarding the defences of Irish_Punk, I don't see too much there. I can speak from experience in that being accused of being scum by an experienced player in your first game makes you panic a bit and post poorly, I think Conversion can say the same. It isn't enough to go on yet. Chaos13 is likely defending him because they are mates from outside TL. We still haven't heard from many players yet. I would like to hear from aidnai who was a very vocal blue last game. Kenpachi also has a much smaller thread presence than usual. GGQ, Mig, Amber[Light], jaminz, Beneather talk more! | ||
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On May 04 2011 15:09 AirbladeOrange wrote: I think this long of a post is more suspicious than anything irish punk dude said. Could you expand on this please AO? He's said a lot here and unlike redtooth it's substantial beyond "this is how to play guide" | ||
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eternalmisfit varpuliS sinani206 elmizzt Lyter Takuna Cthsasa Node, this may seem like a question with an obvious answer, but can a Day Vigilante be roleblocked? It's pretty good for us if not. On May 04 2011 22:48 sandroba wrote: Ok, so I've caught up right now and something in particular has caught my attention. That's all fine and all but the thing I find extremelly suspicious about this post is this: Chaoser points out how redtooth post is pro-town and then he proceeds to do exactly what redtooth did. Why are making such a huge effort to appear pro-town chaoser? This post would have exactly the same content without the bolded part. The only thing this part adds is making YOU look more town. Chaoser is quite active so far and his history has been that he is much more active as town than mafia. I don't think he is worthy of suspicion as yet. Waiting on a reply from AO. Kita has still not replied to chaoser. | ||
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SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE Beneather Redtooth Cthsazsa Irish_Punk13 First of all, Beneather. He was the last person to join the game and has 12 posts thus far. Only 4 have been after he got his role. His activity has dropped sharply. On May 04 2011 12:01 Beneather wrote: /confirm Let's get this show started! :D Nothing of note here. On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote: Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. You haven't said anything here that others haven't said. On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote: Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. Looking for a bandwagon? Asking people to provide analysis but providing none yourself? Contradictions. On May 05 2011 08:40 Beneather wrote: An inactive person is someone who is not posting or participating in actions is your definition of inactive? I really doubt that the whole mafia team is going to be inactive. It only needs one person to send in the kills. Also, the Host would know that the mafia is inactive and would probrably have to restart the game. So when we here inactive we think of lurkers it's the most logical way to think. More about inactivity and repeating himself. Beneather is currently my number 1 suspect as he has done nothing to help and is trying to blend in. Redtooth said a whole lot of nothing in his large posts so far. He has gone quiet once his initial moves failed to get the reactions he desired. People have been comparing him with chaoser but I find their posts to be quite different. Redtooth says a whole lot less than chaoser does. Cthsazsa is getting tunneled very hard by Jackal, but he hasn't actually said anything to clear himself. He is currently my number 2 suspect. Irish_Punk13 has been done repeatedly so far by others and I have nothing new to add. I am slightly less suspicious of him than the others, he is a new player on a new forum and was attacked early. The interactions between himself and Kurumi are interesting. He is worth keeping an eye on very closely, but he is not as strong a candidate as Beneather for mine. ??? PEOPLE Kurumi On Kurumi, I have no idea what to think about this guy. I'm reserving judgement for now. I will say that trying to use his starcraft2 posts as an example of poor posting is poor thinking. All starcraft2 posting is poor ( jokes). Kurumi, post more stuff that isn't random numbers. You look like Chezinu and if you are town you may end up getting us a mislynch down the track which should be used on a mafia.CONCLUSION I am voting for Beneather as I find him to be lurking, have altered his posting since the game started and doing a whole lot of nothing to help town. | ||
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I have played on a scum team with him before in XXXVIII. He was very wishy-washy and the only thing that cleared him was a massive bus on him by GMarshal who was very obviously our fellow mafioso. He took quite some time to decide on what he should post and hence posted less frequently. He is also posting rarely this game. His accusation of chaoser has still not been explained. The post about lynching eternalmisfit was... interesting. However I think his posting is slightly different from last game when he was mafia. He is more aggressive and is more clear with what he has to say. He hasn't been afraid to stand by his opinions. Here are some of his early posts from last game. Note that this was a game when the first day was about mayor elections so it is slightly different.: On April 10 2011 18:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hello. I just got off my temp ban and had to read through 438967346 pages here. For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned. My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote: What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. On April 14 2011 16:12 AirbladeOrange wrote: I think Prot is black too. His analysis in general is very good, but so is his ability to manipulate town opinion. This he will undoubtedly use to further his own goals, which may or may not coincide with the town's goals at a given time, but ultimately I think has to deceive us. He has to figure out the other assassins and take them out. This is not our game plan as town. We need to kill reds. I'm not going to vote yet as there is plenty of time tomorrow to see if any new developments happen. With M0nsterChef doing a suicidal blue claim, my next target has been ON (or his replacement LSB). I'm going to keep playing this out sticking to my own convictions and see where that gets us. I certainly don't trust Coag any more than the author of his big analysis, Protac. But I still fail to see any reason to lynch him over LSB for reasons that began before day one. Not lynching Coag now does not mean that we can never lynch him again. As long as we don't forget the analysis done on him and why he is suspicous, I'm not too worried about him. I see many people in this game that seem to completely change their stances or take multiple stances in a short amount of time due only to other players' analysis. I might even put GMarshal ahead of Coag on my scum list. But I will deal with that if/when the time comes. There are definitely players I trust more than others but I'm not going to change my stance or my vote just because of another opinion post. There are over a hundred pages of those (mixed in with a good deal of spam). A lot can be learned if people put more of an emphasis on reading rather than posting. Out of 122 pages, there are probably only enough worthwhile posts to fill less than 10 of the pages. It sucks having to wade through all this shit, which is why I choose to trust myself and a closely follow a few solid posters to help get through the unimportant posts to examine the ones that have a higher probability of actually being useful. I think pretty soon GMarshal will come at me again, just like he does every time I post. He doesn't really say anything as a mafia and repeatedly points out how noone can know enough to vote for anyone. In this game he has been more active in accusing people and generating discussion. He is a person of interest but not as much as the 5 in my previous post. | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:18 chaoser wrote: I've noticed ilovejohn, aidnai, redtooth, orgolove, kenpachi (lawl), amber, GGQ, and kita, all "vet" players, haven't posted much in terms of analysis and commenting on current happenings. What up guys? On May 05 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote: Stop for a second guys. Everybody that has been placed on your individual scumlists are pretty much noobs. If you think Node put together a scum team of all noobs you need to rethink who you are pushing. GGQ where are you? I would also like to hear more from these players. Kitaman27 in particular was very active last game in a town power role and has been completely mia in this game. | ||
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Lyter has 3 posts in the thread since the game began properly, 5 overall. On May 04 2011 23:54 Lyter wrote: This is my first game of Mafia on a forum, I've played quite a lot of the Mafia custom on SC2 so I know how it works but I'd consider myself a newbie in a big forum game like this. That's cool, fair enough. On May 05 2011 17:29 Lyter wrote: I'm not really buying all these random accusations flying around on day 1, maybe its just me, but I'd much rather see a night through so we actually have something to work with, at this point it is just pure guesswork imo. On May 05 2011 18:20 Lyter wrote: Ah didn't realise someone had to die, time to do some thinking Um, lol? This is either really nooby or just plain trying to hide. Take a stance! On May 05 2011 22:24 Lyter wrote: ##Vote: Irish_Punk13 You obviously did your thinking. You have no other posts after your thinking post though. Please explain? I am not accusing you just yet but I'd like to hear your reasoning. | ||
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There doesn't seem to be much opposition to his lynch so far, just Redtooth and himself. He's winning quite easily. Surely if he were mafia there'd be more resistance? I'm not convinced by what's been said. He is posting strangely but isn't enough for me to suspect him yet. There are a LOT of people who are hiding. Beneather Mig Amber[Light] Kenpachi GGQ Rising_Phoenix Takuna all need to talk more. The discussion is being completely dominated by the same few players. My vote remains on Beneather. | ||
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I forgot to include Lyter in my list of people who are very quiet. | ||
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On May 06 2011 02:25 Kurumi wrote: So my Sandroba Analysis is still left undiscussed? Give me a minute | ||
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On May 05 2011 23:07 Kurumi wrote: Sandroba The Hero of our game so far! First,he votes on Rising_Phoenix + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:35 sandroba wrote: ##Rising_Phoenix Ok,fine. His reasoning? + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:06 sandroba wrote: You keep doing it in all your posts! Either way I don't feel like you are a good day1 lynch, but I'd like your opinion on this wall of nothingness: This post is the scummiest I've seen so far. He shuts down all ideas as useless, states the obvious multiple times and he even feels the need of repeating himself to make his post larger. He closes it in a beautiful whishy-washy fashion. Really,just because Phoenix does not like the idea of guide posting does not mean he is scummy and wants an easy game,chill! Also I like how he says about big amount of nonsense repeated,when there's nothing bolded or emphasized on. I agree with Sandroba here. This is post IS suspicious. Rising_Phoenix contradicts himself twice in this post that I can see. His commentary on the smurf argument (sorry for raising that Node ) is bizarre to say the least.SANDROBA TO CHAOSER,DO YOU HEAR ME? + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:33 sandroba wrote: Chaoser, can you give your opinion on the post I just quoted? This is weird. Why would You engage a player,I understand Chaoser is a vet,when we have 2 townie and 2 scum coaches. What's the point? You just want to know what Chaoser thinks of Your posting? Are You a scum waving to scum in those old fashion big nose and huge eyebrows camouflage? Sandroba already FoS'd chaoser here. He was probably looking for a reaction to help on his read. After Chaoser responds + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:41 chaoser wrote: Sorry, I didn't see it. He has a good point about not going straight for lynching inactives as well as previous game experiences. I disagree with his newbie guides statement. Clearly some people need to use it so making a conscious effort to link them and be like please read them in full is needed. I'm sure most people have skimmed them at best and outright not read them at all at worst. His last statement is wishy-washy. Assessment: I don't think it's more scummy than you, Kurumi or Irish/chao13 at this point. Just because he shot ideas down doesn't mean he's scummy, that's him expressing his opinion. At the same time, clearly what he stated isn't common sense/obvious since people followed along and focused on previous game experiences. You can't just look at one post and say OMG YOU'RE SCUM! It's behavior over time that tips you off on it. Like I said before, if you feel he is scummy, write it down on a notepad or excel sheet (which is an action I know MOST people DON'T DO!) and compare it to future statements. At this time and period though I think Kurumi is infinitely more scummy. He goes for counter attack on my Hero joke! Wait,but You just were scumhunting,Rising_Phoenix was suspicious! Was it Chaoser who pointed out that I am scummy and You should focus on me? He probably felt for taunt,You know. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:54 sandroba wrote: Also, shooting down ideas without sugesting something better IS scummy as hell. OH COME ON! You just went with accusation versus Phoenix because he explained how he felt about guides and day 1 lynches,then dropped it! Is Your strategy to suggest everyone is scum unless someone actually believes You? Sounds solid,just like TheMango's SC2 builds. I agree with you that this is odd. His case against Rising_Phoenix was dropped very quickly. However the Kurumi debate has been very prominent and he was probably distracted by it. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 04:46 sandroba wrote: What the hell? Kurumi you have easily earned my vote. You make no sense at all. How exactly you feel you are helping town by posting random crap and generating confusion? I read a bunch of other posts from you in other threads and I wonder how I can understand them so easily, while in this thread not at all. Oh man,that feeling when I reeled my first fish together with Dad,so awesome. I WANTED someone to respond and start sniffing around it. Also,he goes with Chaoser's post about how my SC2 forum posting is different from Mafia one. I also agree with this. Posting in this forum is bound to be different than in the rest of TL and should be ignored. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:27 chaoser wrote: Your posting structure here and in general is clearly very different from your general posting structure: Why are you trying to misrepresent your competence after making a scummy post? Oh man,they're teaming up on me already! This implies that you think chaoser is scum as well. You posted earlier "drop the discussion of chaoser as scum". I'm confused by this. HEY YOU + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 05:27 sandroba wrote: orgolove, and how do you feel about kurumi insane posting and irish_13/Killer_SOS poping out of the blue to defend him for no apparent reason? I want You to do an analysis for me! Yeah,because I am the boss here,the HERO You know. Start doing something Yourself before making someone help You. This doesn't mean anything. He's trying to get orgolove to post. Orgolove has been quiet, it's a reasonable thing to ask. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 05:33 sandroba wrote: I'm not talking about JUST the number trick. I'm talking about ALL your "posts" (spam) so far. If you are town and insane (not likely based on all your other posts in the forums) realize that you are not helping at all. COME ON DROP MY POSTING FROM SC2 GENERAL! Is this really the only clue You have against me,oh wait the clue isn't Yours! It is Chaoser's! Where is Your real contribution? You are like kid running around on the playground and accusing others of taking Your toy because they did not want to play with You. You have been posting pretty wierdly man. I haven't seen anyone post like you before. He probably interprets it as scum because it's strange. Conclusion: Sandroba tries to make look himself pro-town by jumping on my weird posting and teaming up with weird Chaoser's SC2 general posts thing,does not write anything good though. Besides his fast abandoned attack on Phoenix,rest of his posts were repeating how anti-town I am and what others think of him fighting with the bad guys! Your analysis hasn't convinced me about Sandroba, in fact you have made me feel quite the opposite. I think you're trying to help but I'm not certain on anything about you. You're unlike any poster I've read before! Your attempts to help and the lack of opposition to your lynch makes me lean toward thinking you are town. | ||
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SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE UPDATED Beneather redtooth VarpuliS Cthsazsa sinani206 ilovejonn Lyter Yes I realise there are seven names there. PEOPLE I AM UNSURE ABOUT chaos13 Rising_Phoenix orgolove My feelings on Beneather have not changed. It does not seem that I can convince anyone to join me so I'll likely switch to Cthsazsa as he has the most votes of my suspects. On redtooth, I just wanted to point out this: On May 06 2011 06:06 redtooth wrote: Why KillerSOS is scum. I don't think he's as scummy as Chaoser. However, they're probably not both scum so I haven't pushed for a two pronged press in opposite directions. Let's start off by examining something someone else said (since my credibility seems to be shot at this point):Look at the second bolded part. That is typical noobscumtell - overreacting and defending through quantity, not quality. Jackal is right in that Cthsazsa has exhibited this behavior but so has KillerSOS and to a much greater extent IMO. His posts have acknowledged the viable arguments against him but simply ignored them. Here's the explanation for these guys: "They are scum who overreacted when called out. However, instead of addressing the arguments against them, they try to ignore them like its a non-story but continue to participate in the thread regardless." The first bolded part is there because I agree. But we'll have more time for that later. Ultimately, there simply isn't enough time for me to argue a lynch on Chaoser, especially since I have a final tomorrow so won't be as active for the rest of the day. I'll just wait until post-lynch when I can start off every post with "Hey I'm redtooth. I told you so." You may not be a noob, but you're doing exactly what you say is scum play. You then go and derail things with a discussion about the chances of a day vig finding a target? I'm not sure how this helps at all. I can't tie you to either of the major lynch targets so I'm not as strong on you as I am the other candidates on the list. | ||
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Lyter, ilovejonn are on the list for lurking like crazy and when they do post, saying little of value. I'm busy atm, will post my cases against Cthsasza, sinani206 and VarpuliS when I get the chance. On May 06 2011 04:08 GGQ wrote: This post rings some bells in my head. There was no need for a PbP analysis here, you just needed to tell Lyter to post more and explain his vote. Doing a PbP in this instance feels like an attempt to gain townie cred for nothing. It was an attempt to get him to speak. I used all the information to highlight exactly why I'm calling him out. If you're suggesting it is filler, I disagree. He only has 3 posts so a play by play shows everything he's said, which isn't much (precisely why I'm calling him out). | ||
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22 posts since the game started for real, starting with 228. On May 05 2011 07:12 VarpuliS wrote: I just read through the thread, and I'm not sure exactly what to think. My biggest FoS right now is on Rising_Phoenix. He hasn't been lurking, exactly, but rather making vacuous posts. Active =/= scummy. Why are you telling people to stop talking? This is not pro-town. It's pretty ironic that you're telling people to stop spamming by making an empty spam post. When you start posting content, you can tell people to stop spamming. Your post is pretty empty yourself. I am interested in the fact that very early on you say that active does not mean scummy. Why not? On May 05 2011 08:36 VarpuliS wrote: A very common scum technique is to act suspicious of other scum, so that when/if they flip red you can say "I knew it" and seem pro-town. What the hell is this post? Inactive players are not pro-town because they
This is either a really stupid post or a really scummy post. I honestly can't tell which. Lynching an inactive day 1 is common, because it is rare to have enough information/analysis to peg any actual scum. A lynch based off of solid analysis is always to be preferred, of course. Ultimately, town wants to get rid of all inactive players before lylo, when each vote and opinion counts, while scum wants to keep as many inactives alive as possible, because they're useless to the town and just add uncertainty. On May 05 2011 08:40 VarpuliS wrote: It is very hard to tell which is which. Thus, inactives must be treated as lurkers, or else lurking scum could just hide as inactives and be safe. that would be bad. The best course of action is to pressure the lurkers into posting. If they are truly inactive, they get modkilled and we move on. I'm not talking about them, i'm talking about the "posting so I don't get modkilled today" kind of poster. I consider them inactive as well. You are repeatedly talking about inactives but you go to absolute no lengths to actually bring them out. Noone is named, no requests are given. This is all pointless. VarpuliS was very strongly on the Kurumi lynch. Here is his case: On May 05 2011 11:15 VarpuliS wrote: Kurumi Kurumi's posts can be divided into two categories. Useless spam, and misleading drivel, and actual content Useless spam. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 22:41 Kurumi wrote: I thought I will have any heavy read by the time I am back and game starts but.. the only thing I saw was CHAOS. Saying that,while someone says this,posting some rules being in the other thread,just doing a contribution without any value I have no clue what that is even supposed to mean. Not helpful, just spammy. On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play. Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense! Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore. This post makes a lot of statements without really saying anything. Spam. On May 05 2011 01:49 Kurumi wrote: Thanks Chaoser,I think I did not see that tip in Newbie thread. I wasn't too cautious,right,but even insane thought can turn out to be true. I have no idea how to reply. What does this contribute? "crazy shit can be right," so I'm not going to defend my opinion. On May 05 2011 03:13 Kurumi wrote: 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 Thanks for pointing out that I am fearful of using names,thus making my posts inconsistent,weird and often misunderstood. Which posts should I "repair" - that meaning making it totally straight and understandable? Why the hell are there numbers at the top of this posts? Rest is nonsensical. On May 05 2011 03:18 Kurumi wrote: No,I am just saying that using names all over again is unnatural for me. Fine, but not a contribution, so technically spam. On May 05 2011 03:36 Kurumi wrote: Such unlucky formatting,I had such cool line of numbers from top to the bottom. I tried to make something happen and yeah I did,but it turned out talking about me is interesting. spam. On May 05 2011 04:00 Kurumi wrote: Jackal58 Just a post. spammyspamspam On May 05 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote: Punk,You're back! So my pre-emptive lurker vote is obsolete now! OK then, good for you! thank you for that On May 05 2011 04:50 Kurumi wrote: Remember people mentioning the numbers. Giving away Your biggest weakness might be Your biggest strenght. what? On May 05 2011 04:54 Kurumi wrote: Haha,it was cool first season,then got boring. About LOST, or some shit like that On May 05 2011 05:03 Kurumi wrote: Sorry I didn't call for mass roleclaim,that would not be mysterious and pretty cool Mafia game,eh? Nice joke, funny funny, no content. On May 05 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote: Hello there Kenpachi,enjoy reading the thread! On May 05 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote: Hey Jackal58,we missed You! Nice posts. I would be missing your good ones, but I never knew them. Misleading drivel. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: Drop Chaoser discussion as scum. He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town. It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I agree that Chaoser is pro-town, but shutting down analysis and suspicion on any player without suggesting a more suspicious player is not pro-town play. On May 05 2011 01:09 Kurumi wrote: Oh,also I am voting on Irish Punk. Funny how he and chaos have 13 in the end of their nicknames. I would call this spam, but it involves a vote. His reason is "he plays differently from Chaoser" Bad. On May 05 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote: I just note that his behaviour is different from Irish_Punk's and it looks pro-town,because of trying to make party going As I said, bad reasoning. On May 05 2011 01:22 Kurumi wrote: I just find his activeness into lurking suspicious. Why would You stop contributing when You have nothing to fear of? There is a real world outside of TL. On May 05 2011 01:32 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,did You really grab my crappy contribution posts from SC2 to Mafia forums? I did not vote because of coincidence,I just saw it. When I stared my third post I knew that it will go wrong and I will be accused of scum. Bringing more chaos into Day 1 than there was wasn't my intention. A scummy post is still scummy even if you acknowledge that it is. On May 05 2011 03:35 Kurumi wrote: 13 Eternal - his refers to Chaoser. It was pointed out though Irish_Punk13 might just started doing 2 something besides writing post here on Mafia forums,so his step back into lurker den isn't 6 actually that obvious,just a normal human activity. 3 My point is,Mafia itself would rather not start the discussion(unless it was questions helping them 2 out,like "How do You deal with Mafia claims" "What usually gives out Your identity" etc) 2 The thing that Chaoser and redtooth posted was just a mini-guide how not to fail horribly at Mafia. 13 Still it could be a smoke bomb. This is so confusing that any content that might be in this post is lost on me. what the hell do the numbers mean? On May 05 2011 04:13 Kurumi wrote: AirbladeOrange: "A dead Townie is a good Townie" I like Your style,as Cave Johnson said! Cute, but misinterpreting the post. On May 05 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote: Numbers? What numbers? 13 2 6 3 2 2 13? They're just to cast more suspicion on me,like hey! Random numbers MUST be something! No. I just felt like typing them. My type of posting might be connected to English being my second language (the biggest thing is repeating names which I am not comfortable with,where in Polish I need to find 2347234 possibilities to avoid typing the same thing in one,even two sentences.) It was wrong to assume my thought process will apply to everyone and I understand that mistake. Just to put some emphasis: 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 is nothing,but I might get some link if You want to make them mystical,You know. Why would you post meaningless numbers? I'm fine with the explanation of why you post the way you post, but the numbers thing totally derails this post. Again, how are useless numbers beneficial to town? Actual good content. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 23:07 Kurumi wrote: I don't have any problem with this post because I agree with it. Good post.Your attacks on Chaoser and redtooth are not supported by any evidence than nitpicking,yes they are posting without much value,but we are just starting off. On May 05 2011 04:15 Kurumi wrote: Seriously. Never say that dead Town is a good deal,it makes You look weird or even suspicious I'll count this so that this section has more than 1 post in it, because this is a logical statement. On May 05 2011 05:29 Kurumi wrote: Sandroba,You were the person to grab the number trick to make me suspicious. Easy lynch for scum,isn't it? I don't accuse You of being red but.. You're trying to do it the easiest way. Don't keep doing it,please. When You don't think and just go straight You might miss something. On May 05 2011 05:30 Kurumi wrote: Stop doing it,please* Grammar,the horror! I'm calling this content despite my better judgement. He's calling out sandroba for joining a bandwagon based off of faulty evidence (I think). Fair enough. On May 05 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote: So basically I need to do something,because my fishy posting won't be a good defence for myself while I am gone. Kurumi used Excuse! Kurumi has some Excuses left! Excuse:This will be my first time doing a small analysis,so please don't beat me and lay down Your stones,pickaxes,guns or whatever You just picked up. Thanks. My thoughts on: Chaos13 Points out my weird style of posting,numbers and thinks it is huge scum tell. He is thinking on his own rails,probably not trying to doom us all. Sandroba Hero of our city! Scumhunts every post and every post he has new scum tell,amazing how he does it. Together with Chaos13 is picking on my posting. Irish_Punk13 Got on my rails or at least tries to understand what I try to tell. Points out AirbladeOrange suspicious behavior. Supposedly works for town. AirbladeOrange Wants me dead. Because dead townie is best townie,right? Since I have no contribution value I am worthless. Looks like that is not what he meant actually. Dead townie has no vote privilege! The less votes are available for town,the better for the scum! Suspicious,might be scum. Chaoser Very careful,does not like me hugging him. This is both-side reaction. Though because it is Day1 and his biggest contribution was the hint post I believe I can't decide who he is. KillerSOS Plays for fun,enjoys the game. Agreeds with the Irish_Punk13. ilovejonn Is as careful as Chaoser,has good idea who should be looked at. Kenpachi Has got this. I mean,the backup plan of course. Is onto something obviously. Overall,most of people are trying to hop on me,or AirbladeOrange for his bluff about dead townies. I know this is not SO helpful analysis that You'd hoped for,but look at top of the post. No. Don't pick up those. Please? It is about my excuse. Many of You already used them,some multiple amount of times,but I have no time to pick on it. I believe I will have time to post tomorrow after school (day ends 5:00 KST,right?) It's defensive, but it's content. I don't agree with some of it though. The Kenpachi part is BS, the ABO part is half OMGUS and half logic. Notice how the majority of his posts are spam, misinformation, or anti-town. Can you find the townie under all of this? because I can't. This guy isn't being pro-town, and in my opinion he's our best lynch for day 1. ##Vote: Kurumi + Show Spoiler + Whew, that took longer than I expected... This is the only major analysis from him so far. He makes a large song and dance about how much of what Kurumi says doesn't make sense. The part where you say he's posted good content you also say you don't agree with it all. Could you elaborate? Also I find little difference between many of the posts you say are misleading drivel and those that are "actual content". You've helped lynch Kurumi on grounds of spam and unhelpful/misleading posts. This is also spam, unhelpful and misleading, as are about 5 of your posts around here. There's a FoS on Cthsazsa which you very quickly forget about. On May 05 2011 12:49 VarpuliS wrote: elmizzt, do you often refer to yourself in the third person? Cthsazsa, you've used the "they want us to waste our votes" twice now, I believe. I've got my eye on you. You didn't respond well to jackal's tunneling, and now you disregard the reason elmizzt voted for you. FoS Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. If you really were town and felt like hunting scum you'd follow up on this. Following this is a few posts regarding posting in third person. These are just spam, unhelpful and misleading, just like your read on Kurumi. Next is his third FoS, Irish_Punk13: On May 05 2011 21:20 VarpuliS wrote: I'm on the fence between lynching Irish_Punk13 and Kurumi. At this point it seems to me that Irish is only scum if Kurumi is too. People are pushing a lynch on Irish because of the information he'll provide when he flips, but I think that we can get all of that information from a lynch on Kurumi. Situation A: Kurumi flips scum, it is very likely that Irish is as well. We lynch Irish the next day, and we get our information, just a day later. Situation B: Kurumi flips town. Irish is probably town, we move on. The only real scumtell from Irish is noting Kurumi's "great posts" which don't exist. If Kurumi is town, then Irish is just an idiot. I'm posting from my phone, classes start soon and I probably won't have time to check the thread again until the afternoon. This is entirely a push for an information lynch which is a very bad idea. Also, what happened to your case against Irish_Punk13? On May 06 2011 06:01 VarpuliS wrote: Just got back from school, damn this thread is moving fast. Kurumi's posting hasn't improved, It seems. What sort of townie plan is based upon being scummy and nonsensical to get the town talking and then saying "Guys, i'm not scum, it was all part of the plan?" My vote's staying on him. Someone a couple pages back corrected me about my "lynching for information theory." I think it was Aidnai. Thank you, I'll keep that in mind for the future. This looks to me like a townie getting bored. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets himself modkilled or replaced. He retracts the information lynch idea, then follows up with a post stating the bleeding obvious about Rising_Phoenix. You still aren't contributing at all other than tunnelling Kurumi hardcore. Follows this with huge reposting of redtooth's arguments, copy-pasted. The only other real post of note he has is this: On May 06 2011 09:37 VarpuliS wrote: Yo Beneather, you just voted without posting in the thread. Why was this not followed up on? Interestingly enough Cthsasza also brings him up and doesn't do anything about it. On May 06 2011 10:11 Cthsazsa wrote: Beneather's a lurker CONCLUSION VarpuliS is mafia. He does a whole lot of talking and doesn't actually say anything. He very strongly tried to get Kurumi lynched and did nothing else. He is hiding in plain sight. His complete lack of any contribution other than tunneling Kurumi, self-contradictions and complete disappearance once the Kurumi lynch was certain, plus his interaction with other people I believe to be scum make him dodgy. | ||
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