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EU or NA ladder, which is harder?

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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 17:36:14
February 09 2011 17:34 GMT
#1
This has been bugging me for quite a while and now that I saw the HuK - 4k points thread I thought I might just create a thread asking for people's opinions.

I know that it's very hard to answer this question in an unbiased way, so I will use the recent EU/NA top 200 list, the overall world rank and the TSL qualifiers to look at who's dominating who.

NA Top 200
EU TOP 200

Looking at both those lists I have to admit that I know way more people listed in the EU list, but this just might be due to the fact that I'm playing on EU and keep track of emt, but still, I think EU got more well known players.

Now looking at global 1v1 ratings:

world ranks

EU is dominating this list quite hard, but it's a known fact that the korean ladder is more skilled even though it's gettin' overruled point-wise - but does this also apply for NA?

Finally a look at the TSL qualifier results so far:

Qual. winners

It's been 3 EU qualifiers and 2 NA qualifiers so far, so you would expect 3 europeans and 2 americans to make it through, but it has been 4 europeans and only 1 american.

Use this data to base your opinion on. So here goes the poll:
Poll: EU or NA, which ladder is harder (got mroe skilled people)

EU (1309)
 
86%

NA (219)
 
14%

1528 total votes

Your vote: EU or NA, which ladder is harder (got mroe skilled people)

(Vote): EU
(Vote): NA

Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
February 09 2011 17:38 GMT
#2
When you talk about TSL qualifiers how do you decide where people are from? Do HuK and IdrA count as Americans even though their situation makes them de facto Koreans?
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
February 09 2011 17:40 GMT
#3
a ridiculous question that affects no-one
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
February 09 2011 17:44 GMT
#4
Also, out of 16 top players in TSL qualifiers, 12 play on EU, while only 4 play on US. I'd say there's absolutely no doubt that EU is the more difficult ladder and has the more skilled players in general, avoiding some exceptions.
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
February 09 2011 17:47 GMT
#5
Playing about a 100 games on both servers I didn't really feel any skill difference but I did get an impression that there is a little more cheese on US.
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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 17:48:51
February 09 2011 17:47 GMT
#6
I guess it practically doesn't affect the lower tiers at all. Where it starts to make a difference should be the top 5000 players or whatever, since eSports (and PC gaming in general, last I heard USA was basically the country #2 [behind Japan] in terms of gaming consoles per household) has been bigger in the EU than in NA (especially in the RTS department with WC3 before SC2) for a long while now, which results in more players trying to get really good at the game, many of which are already in "electronic social circles" of players who practice with them or share information etc.
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Stratus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States38 Posts
February 09 2011 17:48 GMT
#7
All hail EU

right?
>.>
Tef
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden443 Posts
February 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#8
lol.. I am looking forward to see this poll gain momentum towards the US server a little later tonite.
Dont fuck up, dont fuck yourself
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#9
wtf i hardly reconize anyone in top 10 on US except for SelecT o_0
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Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
February 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#10
Who cares which one is harder? If a player is skilled he will excel regardless of his location. Things like this are stupid and pointless, I've destroyed europeans, koreans, and americans....and Ive been destroyed by europeans, koreans, and americans.....So really nationality has nothing to do with anything other then an epeen parade.
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 17:54:07
February 09 2011 17:52 GMT
#11
On February 10 2011 02:47 barth wrote:
Playing about a 100 games on both servers I didn't really feel any skill difference but I did get an impression that there is a little more cheese on US.


you're being matched up against people of equal mmr so it should feel the same..
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
February 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#12
EU no doubt its obvious.

I felt bad about not getting my instant promotion to masters on EU, so went on NA to get it instead.
Protoss is the only race with "pro" in it
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13404 Posts
February 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#13
On February 10 2011 02:49 Tef wrote:
lol.. I am looking forward to see this poll gain momentum towards the US server a little later tonite.


so true the time zones are skewing the result in favour of EU lol

IMO they are probably similarly skilled but with different builds
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norlock
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands918 Posts
February 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#14
On February 10 2011 02:49 Trowabarton756 wrote:
Who cares which one is harder? If a player is skilled he will excel regardless of his location. Things like this are stupid and pointless, I've destroyed europeans, koreans, and americans....and Ive been destroyed by europeans, koreans, and americans.....So really nationality has nothing to do with anything other then an epeen parade.


That is the truth ladies, Look at the awesome players, Huk Jinro Kiwikaki WhiteRa Kas, that is what is more important. Stop bashing other continents just because KR doesn't post here.
Are you human?
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 18:41:15
February 09 2011 17:55 GMT
#15
How come there is always the Europe vs North America threads? Who cares. The majority of us can't tell the difference between the skill and challenge of other players we are matched up with anyway. Perhaps if you are the top 10% of masters league you will.

Yes I am aware that people post that go "LOL I just switched to the ____ server and it is so easy because my MMR has been reset and I am stomping people left right and center that are leagues below my old server mmr!"

I see these as a pointless thread that tend to go the way of a flame war everytime I see one.
Brood War forever!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
February 09 2011 18:01 GMT
#16
agree to Kralic, every server is equally strong in my oppinion. maybe only top 200-500 differ, but only because NA are playing more on consoles (hello halo^^) and not that much starcraft 2
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 09 2011 18:02 GMT
#17
canada carries america, usa really need to step it up :D
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 09 2011 18:07 GMT
#18
eu a bit
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
February 09 2011 18:09 GMT
#19
#29 CombatEX Is that the real combatEX? oO

Just because EU has more well known players doesn't necessarily mean it's a harder ladder. I think a big EU vs US should be made Though from the interviews I've read most pros say KR is hardest followed by EU and US.
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mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
February 09 2011 18:13 GMT
#20
On February 10 2011 03:09 Andr3 wrote:
#29 CombatEX Is that the real combatEX? oO

Just because EU has more well known players doesn't necessarily mean it's a harder ladder. I think a big EU vs US should be made Though from the interviews I've read most pros say KR is hardest followed by EU and US.

If u talkin bout a EU vs NA showmatch. They already had one. EU won 8-3.
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