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D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
November 29 2010 04:48 GMT
#1
I have the Microsoft Optical Mouse atm with a social studies folder as a mousepad(lol). I like it alot actually, no problems with it, i am just wondering if I should upgrade my mouse and mouse pad. Would it be worth to spend $60 for the goliathus and deaethadder or should i just keep my own right now since i think its still good?


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babolatt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada312 Posts
November 29 2010 04:52 GMT
#2
Not sure about that specific mouse, but I've used the logitech laser mice for a long time and I can tell you it is most definitely worth the upgrade.
"Alright, Lets poop out a daily" Day9
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 29 2010 04:53 GMT
#3
You probably should look for a better mouse if you think it'll help you.

I'm also still using one of those legacy microsoft optical thingies with the cool red light on the bottom
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D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
November 29 2010 04:54 GMT
#4
really i dont get the difference between a gaming mouse and regular mouse besides looking better, and DPI doesnt really matter i think because u can just change mouse sensitivity on sc2 settings, it just seems that every1 has those "gaming" mice, idk if its really worth it
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 05:06:46
November 29 2010 05:04 GMT
#5
I have a deathadder, love it, but no, you don't need one. The wmo is actually a really good mouse from what I hear.

Upgrade from the binder, but you definitely don't need a gaming mousepad, just pick up a supermat for 10 bucks... it's performance is legit, lots of quake pros use it or used to and they're probably the best aimers in the world.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
babolatt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada312 Posts
November 29 2010 05:07 GMT
#6
The weight/feel tends to be better, at least with the logitech mouse that I use. I've owned the microsoft one and it just doesn't track as well either, although maybe the newer ones do, I don't know. Also the logitech has the ability to change dpi with the click of a button immediately, however I don't use this feature ever, so it's not a determining factor for me.

Mostly it's just that the mouse is something that is so critical to starcraft 2, and even just day to day work, that spending 20 or 30 extra dollars even if it's marginally better is going to be a good investment in my opinion.
"Alright, Lets poop out a daily" Day9
FrozenSolid
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland134 Posts
November 29 2010 06:57 GMT
#7
Just as babolatt said, the actual feel of using the mouse is what's most important. If you feel like the microsoft optical fits your needs, there's no reason to switch.
If you feel bad about everyone having gamer mice, just remember that many professional quake and counter-strike players actually prefer the mouse you're currently using because of its shape and low weight. That mouse is in no way bad for gaming, and everyone who bought "gamer mice" are either total suckers for spending that much on a mouse, or felt that the mouse was better for their own grip.
Now, there are differences between the Microsoft Optical and the typical gamer mouse beyond their shape and size, such as the maximum control speed you can move the mouse without having to deal with negative acceleration, but in an RTS game like SC2, negative acceleration won't affect you much at all.
The most important thing about a mouse really is the ergonomics.

That being said, I own a Razer Imperator, and yes, I'm a complete sucker for flashing lights.
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Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
November 29 2010 07:48 GMT
#8
I think something crucial has been missed when we're talking about mouse choice: the games being played. Those older FPS games run at lower resolutions and, therefore, don't require high DPI. That and FPS players naturally use incredibly low sensitivities.

If you're running SC2 at a moderately high resolution, a higher DPI is important. Not the 5,000 or ridiculous amount that some mice advertise, but some (for example, the 1,800 on the MX518 is good; I haven't heard of many people going much higher than 2,500 or so with SC2, but I also haven't seen too many people say what their settings are) is helpful.

Now, you might say, like D3ath3nat0r, that you can adjust the sensitivity in the settings. No. You can't. Why? Because, for a 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to movement on screen (assuming you've turned mouse acceleration off), you need a Windows mouse sensitivity of 6/11. Since the SC2 sensitivity is partly linked to it, without getting into the math behind it, it should be set to 51-54% (the "setting" isn't actually notched up any until you hit multiples of 5) for what most people call "optimal settings." The DPI on your mouse is what picks up the rest of the slack (as it is essentially saying how many pixels per inch that your mouse will traverse). You can up the SC2 sensitivity, but you'll get slight loss of accuracy in the form of skipping pixels.

So, that said, I'd recommend at least a slightly more modern mouse. Yes, some people are totally fine with those old ones and there is nothing wrong with using them: the most important thing is, obviously, comfort/personal preference. With what I've seen through my research, though, the increasingly high resolutions of the modern day (that you will have unless you play on the lowest setting) are usually complemented by a higher DPI.

All of that said, I'm going from my MX518 that I've used for around 4 years to a DeathAdder. It's widely held to be one of the best mice (right up there with the MX518 and "RTS favorites" like the Salmosa). I'd say go for it!
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Joementum
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
787 Posts
November 29 2010 08:19 GMT
#9
$10 Logitech MX518. Been using Logitech mice for 4 years and wouldn't change now.

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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4381 Posts
November 29 2010 09:22 GMT
#10
keyboard = more important than mouse
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rbkl
Profile Joined March 2010
772 Posts
November 29 2010 09:39 GMT
#11
Yes on both, but make sure you go with the older version, not the 3500 dpi deathadder. The higher dpi actually makes the mouse at fast movements bug out terribly
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 29 2010 09:53 GMT
#12
On November 29 2010 16:48 Char711 wrote:
I think something crucial has been missed when we're talking about mouse choice: the games being played. Those older FPS games run at lower resolutions and, therefore, don't require high DPI. That and FPS players naturally use incredibly low sensitivities.

If you're running SC2 at a moderately high resolution, a higher DPI is important. Not the 5,000 or ridiculous amount that some mice advertise, but some (for example, the 1,800 on the MX518 is good; I haven't heard of many people going much higher than 2,500 or so with SC2, but I also haven't seen too many people say what their settings are) is helpful.

Now, you might say, like D3ath3nat0r, that you can adjust the sensitivity in the settings. No. You can't. Why? Because, for a 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to movement on screen (assuming you've turned mouse acceleration off), you need a Windows mouse sensitivity of 6/11. Since the SC2 sensitivity is partly linked to it, without getting into the math behind it, it should be set to 51-54% (the "setting" isn't actually notched up any until you hit multiples of 5) for what most people call "optimal settings." The DPI on your mouse is what picks up the rest of the slack (as it is essentially saying how many pixels per inch that your mouse will traverse). You can up the SC2 sensitivity, but you'll get slight loss of accuracy in the form of skipping pixels.

So, that said, I'd recommend at least a slightly more modern mouse. Yes, some people are totally fine with those old ones and there is nothing wrong with using them: the most important thing is, obviously, comfort/personal preference. With what I've seen through my research, though, the increasingly high resolutions of the modern day (that you will have unless you play on the lowest setting) are usually complemented by a higher DPI.

All of that said, I'm going from my MX518 that I've used for around 4 years to a DeathAdder. It's widely held to be one of the best mice (right up there with the MX518 and "RTS favorites" like the Salmosa). I'd say go for it!


Total nonsense. High DPI provides equal (and dubious) benefits between every resolution. High resolution just lets you see the effects.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
LeSioN
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
November 29 2010 10:07 GMT
#13
have a G9 logitech. Best $70 dollars ive spent on my compy extremely comfortable and solid feeling. i would say go to a best buy and see if they have a few sitting out you can play around with. i also do alot of work in Adobe and the "better" laser is extremely noticeable over the stock dell ones my school uses. rarely skips pixels or jumps(need a waccom tho..come on santa!)
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RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
November 29 2010 10:11 GMT
#14
Got that combination and I love it :p (deathadder + goliathus ), so do several other players I know
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velo
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia48 Posts
November 29 2010 11:01 GMT
#15
I own a goliathus and its wearing out rapidly. It actually has bird crap residue on it (I don't really know how it happened but I came home one day and there was a bird crap on it, so don't leave your windows open kids). I thought about replacing it this week, I thought long and hard about it and thought about how much I liked the feel of it and realized that if I was to buy a new mouse pad it would probably be the new version of the same pad. I'm pretty sure mine is a control version?

eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:31:00
November 29 2010 12:30 GMT
#16
Been using a Deathadder for a while and I have no complaints. All the feedback I've read says if you want to use a Razer mouse, Deathadder is the way to go.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:37:39
November 29 2010 12:36 GMT
#17
I really need to stop having 4 TL threads open at once ...
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
Horuku
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#18
I've got a deathadder, and I can say it's just a feel thing. I used an intellimouse optical for over a decade before switching to this one. It just feels better/different but really didn't improve anything, except for my aim in FPS ever so slightly.

TBH you should buy a real mousepad.
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TaiYang
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada128 Posts
November 29 2010 13:03 GMT
#19
I've tried my cousin's Deathadder and I have to say, I like it more than my Steelseries Ikari
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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
November 29 2010 13:45 GMT
#20
You already have one of the best mice on the market - what resolution are you playing at?
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