If I understand correctly what you're proposing with this code,
couldn't the assassin just try everybody's name until they get something coherent, especially since this game has so few people?

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November 06 2010 00:49 GMT

#55

Frankly, I think that attempting to game the system with codes and shit both defeats the purpose and has the possibility of backfiring -- as it's entirely possible Meapak's code already has. (in which case, we're all screwed anyways, unless he had the foresight to use a false king or is the assassin)

And since apparently people missed it, no PMs with the exception of mod/role PMs.

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United States2159 Posts

November 06 2010 04:06 GMT

#71

Yeah, to me CubedIn's attempt to incriminate Meapak reek of "you accused me, so I accuse you", which is a big no-no as far as townie play goes. He is coming off very suspicious in my book, and I believe he is the best candidate for assassin so far.

[b]##Vote CubedIn[\b]

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United States2159 Posts

November 06 2010 04:47 GMT

#76

Oops. Forgot bolding.

##Vote CubedIn

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November 07 2010 02:59 GMT

#91

On November 07 2010 11:41 Coagulation wrote:
vote orgolove

What is this? Just voting randomly for the hell of it?

Care to justify what you're doing?

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November 07 2010 07:29 GMT

#97

On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.

Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books.

Keep in mind that the best time for the assassin to start a bandwagon is at the beginning of the game. There's a far lower chance of accidentally catching the king -- not to mention that if everybody insta-switches to the king-accuser it will quickly become obvious that he guessed correctly.

Keep a very close eye on who starts bandwagons at this point.

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United States2159 Posts

November 07 2010 20:16 GMT

#104

On November 07 2010 17:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^?

Not necessarily. Just sit back, occasionally defend yourself, throw in a vote here and there (the less justification, the better), say a lot without saying anything. Watch as the number of bodyguards dwindles, and then when people finally figure out you aren't who you say you are, throw a knife at the person who has miraculously escaped suspicion.

I'm not buying it.

##Vote DarthThienAn

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United States2159 Posts

November 08 2010 08:36 GMT

#131

On November 08 2010 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
100% orgolove is assasin
if you dont see why i suggest you read his post's

Wait, let me get this straight.

He makes a slip that reveals the king's identity -- AND he's assassin?

Mind-boggling.

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United States2159 Posts

November 08 2010 09:18 GMT

#135

On November 08 2010 17:46 Coagulation wrote:
NOPE HE SAID SOMETHING HE WOULDNT SAY IF HE KNOWS THE KINGS IDENTITY

And so, if he's the assassin, you just told him directly that he "accidentally" knows the king.

Well done, sir.

Well done.

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United States2159 Posts

November 09 2010 05:25 GMT

#156

I dunno orgolove, I'm inclined to base any analysis on this game alone rather than on activity in past games -- the nature of this variation is quite different from traditional mafia, and nothing's stopping people from acting differently on a game-by-game basis.

That in mind, I'd like to present an analysis of youngminii's posts in this game:

On November 06 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
So uhh, let's get this baby rolling.

##Vote Meapak_Ziphh

His first game-related post is a contentless vote jumping on the Meapak bandwagon. I shouldn't have to explain why this is the kind of behavior we should be looking out for.

On November 06 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:
Staying silent's not really the optimum strategy, it's just a lazy strategy. There's a 1/8 chance we'll lynch the assassin, and a 7/8 chance that we'll lynch a bodyguard. If everyone's silent, it'll just wittle down the number of people and right when the assassin's about to get lynched (by some form of rng I assume), he'll just take a random stab at the small amount of people left.

Surely interaction is a better method.

His second post pushes for being more active and promoting discussion. I could go either way on this post. He could be a bodyguard honestly wanting to reduce the chances of the assassin being successful. He could also be the assassin attempting to get discussion going so that he could more easily get the king out in the open.

Here he defends orgolove. This post doesn't really tell us one way or the other whether he's red.

On November 08 2010 10:11 youngminii wrote:

Show nested quote +

When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol

He posts saying that he didn't accuse Darth (truthfully), and that he was going to defend him, which never happened.

He hasn't posted since, and never voted in the second day.

Youngminii is really shifty in my books. I think if we lynch him, worst-case scenario we get rid of a non-contributor, and best-case scenario we kill the assassin. I'm still not sold on Darth being innocent, but in the end I think there are better suspects right now.

##Vote Youngminii

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November 09 2010 07:17 GMT

#163

On November 09 2010 15:14 bumatlarge wrote:
Yes, an assassin doing an analysis on anyone is fairly risky, but it's also easy for the assassin to say that. This post is helpful as he explains that anyone who starts voting for the king is expected to be assassin, BUT MUST BE HANDLED DELICATELY. A very good point if it is not a BG making a gambit vote.

I agree with what you're saying, but the thing is saying what he did really doesn't indicate scumminess one way or the other. It's the sort of thing the assassin could easily say to gain points with the bodyguards without risking anything, but at the same time it's a good point for a bodyguard to make. As far as that post goes, it didn't sway my opinion one way or the other.

My main reason for proposing that we lynch youngminii is his inactiveness. (frankly, I think he should be modkilled, but apparently DocH doesn't feel that way) I really don't think that we have anything to lose by killing him -- hell, he didn't even vote. That combined with any measure of scumminess is enough for me to lynch on.

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November 12 2010 00:57 GMT

#191

On November 12 2010 09:31 DarthThienAn wrote:
Do I still have the most votes o.o? Don't do it guys!

I think you're tied with youngminii with two votes apiece.

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United States2159 Posts

November 13 2010 07:37 GMT

#207

On November 13 2010 05:15 orgolove wrote:
So. How should we go about doing this? We can get him, but he may be sharp enough to still win this if we don't be careful.

IMO, the sooner the better. The more players there are the more choices he is going to have, the more second thoughts will go through his head.

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United States2159 Posts

November 15 2010 00:58 GMT

#226

##Vote Coagulation

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November 15 2010 04:24 GMT

#242

Yeah, the only thing that really gave it away was that I was bandwagoned out of nowhere after making accusations against youngminii. Before that I had a niggling feeling that it was Coagulation -- the "bodyguard gets 2 PMs, king gets 1 PM" trap in particular was actually clever, if kinda-sorta against the rules. But when I temporarily disregarded all of the PM talk and focused on what it was that was getting me lynched, the only possibility was that I pushed the lynch of youngminii (and due to inactivity, came surprisingly close to succeeding! lol).

Coagulation, surprisingly enough, was pretty much the only one who played my lynch correctly by posting doubts. Even if you're 99% certain you've caught the assassin, the lynch needs to look like any other -- behavior analysis and whatnot. Otherwise it's a blatant tip that the assassin slipped somehow. Seeing as it came after the fact that my lynch was pretty much set in stone, the weak analysis made me even more certain that I'd found the king.

It was also pretty clever the way bodyguards kept youngminii in their "list of most likely assassins", as this was one of the reasons I jumped on him. If they followed it up correctly it probably would have doomed me. But if he stays in there and never has any action taken against him, especially when I push a lynch and all the votes just kinda gravitate elsewhere, it doesn't help town much.

GG all. I had fun.