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Worst case scenario for town is 6 days at 3 town members/day at which point 18 townies are dead and numbers are equal. However given mafia vote swinging and town inactivity/stupidity, 5 missed lynches is probably our cutoff point for certain death. I haven't taken the time to do precise math, but it seems to me that blue roles in our setup slightly favor town, however if i'm reading the rules right the mafia have 2kp until they get down to 3 members, which is nice for them. DT's can day 1 check if they want, though i dunno if this is a really great idea since it would mostly be a blind rolecheck. But i also don't want to say 'don't do it all.' DT's should not go down the list for their rolechecks though. This is a dumb idea and we simply don't have the luxury of time. I think DT should use his analysis and intuition to check suspicious players, like normal. | ||
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if we lynch an inactive we're killing someone who probably would not have helped us anyway however, i don't want to lynch someone that would just get modkilled since that's obviously a waste. Bill, how many votes can someone miss before they get zapped? | ||
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here's the thing that you guys need to realize that some other people have already pointed out: 1. No lynch (all abstain) is anti town and allows mafia to eke out a lynch on a green 2. RNG lynch is only slightly less bad with a higher chance hitting a blue than a red 3. We should be using our day 1 lynch to kill someone who is being STUPID. This way we either kill a stupid townie (a burden) or a stupid mafia (yay!) 4. Don't PM Opz. | ||
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i think BC and citizen have made a salient observation of youngminii's posting behavior, and it is currently the most interesting development to me. i await his inevitable response before i cast any judgments though, since i haven't played in a game with youngminii and they have. | ||
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if the question you are asking is "do i think hyperbola's post was stupid?", then i'd have to answer "yes." i'm never one to hastily champion any cause though, and i think the voting train on hyperbola was far too early. Say a better target comes along, it can be hard to get enough people to change their votes. As it is, Hyperbola has been pretty unhelpful so far, whether he is town side or not, so i can't say i'd be too upset if he dies. Pyrr's vote is interesting because DTA is also unhelpful, but I thought DTA was joking too. We all know sarcasm doesn't translate too well as text, but i thought that was easy to pick up. But pyrr is right about the rest of his posts. I'm going out for the rest of the day and i dunno if i'll be back in time for the deadline. I'm gonna put my vote on youngminii, just in case anything happens in that direction. Otherwise i hope you guys are smart enough not to screw things up while i'm gone :p #vote youngminii | ||
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anyway your defense up there only addresses 1 thing that BC and citizen pointed out, which was the initial sentence. maybe you were joking (a reasonable explanation, i do admit, and i read it that way at first for what it's worth), maybe you weren't. but what about asking the already answered questions? what about obvious blue advice that any blue knows? what about telling the town it's a good idea to abstain? (it's not) citizen didn't say that you weren't strong as i saw it, rather he said those kinds of mistakes were not something he would expect from you. see, this is why i wrote that "just in case," since i know i'm not gonna be here my vote has a chance of being useless so i'm taking a gambit with a person that i think could be a lynch target as the night deadline rolls around. i knew you would come and have something to say; obviously just not this soon (sooner than me lol). sorry, but you haven't convinced me to move my vote. | ||
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On July 18 2010 21:46 youngminii wrote: There was only one thing that they did point out and that's the only thing that was directed at me, hence I responded to it. Obvious blue advice? Really? Do you honestly believe that all 30 people in this thread know exactly how to play blue? Do you really think that each and every new person in here knows how to play their role perfectly? So in the case of all 30 people knowing the exact way to play without any discussions as to any plans we should just leave it at that and not discuss our options? You can't be that stupid, I refuse to believe it. Obvious blue advice: Just for some pre-emptive planning for the night: DTs check 'good' players, especially players that are unlikely to go inactive. Medics should protect whoever they want, generally you'd want to protect the person that seems the most towny and frequently posts. Of course, if you feel that you should be doing something else, you should trust your instincts. I do not believe all 30 people in this game are perfect blue players, but then again most people aren't. On top of this, I never suggested such a scenario in the first place and you are putting words in my mouth. The question is why are you resorting to such arguing tactics? Do you need to make up my arguments for me so that you can counter them? I echoed citizen's previous statement that your blue "advice" is completely useless. There is a lot to learn about playing as a blue, but nothing in that bit of text offers anything new to anybody here. Seriously. Also, what already answered questions? Back up your statements with evidence please. I admit that here I was echoing citizen without reading back in the thread to see if he was correct. It looks lie this is a non-issue. you did ask about stuff that was clearly visible in the rules, but you also said you were tired and i miss stuff in the rules all the time so can't fault you on that. charge cleared. How is telling the town to abstain not a good idea? I'm willing to accept criticism of my ideas, but I'm not willing to just sit back and watch as someone comes in, votes for me as a placeholder in case a bandwagon is formed on me (which I suppose is pre-emptive bandwagoning) and then says my ideas are not good. Information Instead of Analysis. In fact, IIoA is a big scumtell in my experiences in other mafia sites (not sure about TL since this site is actually quite a lot different). Myself and several others have already explained the faulty logic of no lynch day 1. Basically, the crux of the argument is this: The Town does not have the luxury of time. This argument was also the basis of my criticism of the dt check-down-the-list plan. And i didn't try to start a bandwagon on you, if you would the kindly note the lack of persuasive language and overall tentative tone of that initial post i made, which was mostly about other players and not you specifically. Despite this, you've gone to considerable lengths to defend yourself from my single vote, which i thin at least 1 other player has pointed out. And maybe i'm misunderstanding the term, but what does IIOA have to do with this? I never said citi.zen said I was good. In fact, I implied citi.zen said I was quite bad. I don't critique citi.zen's play because as far as I can tell, people seem to believe his meta is good but if he continues to critique me, so be it. I don't care. Citizen said you were good and that the mistakes in your post were unbecoming of your play style. You thought he was saying you are bad; i was correcting this. Your 'just in case' is the same as bandwagoning, except you're doing it early. You think there might be a chance that people will start voting for me so you put your vote on me 'just in case'. Biggest hidden form of bandwagoning imo. I had already said i'd be gone all day. Why would I vote for a player who i was sure wouldn't be lynched (like, say, Roffles)? I want my vote to count. Otherwise I might as well abstain, and I think i've made clear my feelings on abstaining. My conclusion: You're either a really bad scum, really bad townie, or a fucking bad blue. Cut the bullshit. I'm here to play mafia, not to read other players post "LOL UR BAD" | ||
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On July 19 2010 23:29 Jayme wrote: Okay that told us absolutely nothing besides the fact that BrownBear apparently doesn't like to rectify mistakes and that Foolishness gets vibes. don't knock him for info gathering. these things are important to keep track of during the game. | ||
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On July 20 2010 07:44 Foolishness wrote: So if I'm understanding this, youngminii was ahead in the votes, then BrownBear and bumatlarge voted for Hyperbola, which pushed Hyperbola ahead in the voting (and he stayed ahead until day end). So it's possible there was a push to save youngminii from being lynched. Of course please correct me if I'm mistaken. The people above me who are doing the vote tally are very very very unorganized with their posts. I had to map the votes in excel to make it easier to analyze. Before bum and BB voted for hyper, the count was 5-4 in Hyperbolas favor. So they vote, and the tally is Hyperbola 7, Youngminii 4. DTA and ketomai each had two votes. Jayme votes for youngminii to make it 7-5. Then, misder and zeks switch their votes to Laxercannon and abstain, respectively. So the count is now 5-5. Finally, subversion comes in and drops his vote on Hyperbola. 6-5. Siniquity's analysis has detailed the important parts of this pretty well, i think. | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote: Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. You speak of this voting block as though you weren't part of it... an important part too. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:25 BrownBear wrote: If everyone is dead set on lynching me, though, then 2 things: I'm not even going to bother, and you all seriously need to reevaluate your playstyles. uh, what? so you make a bunch of shitty posts, people call you out on it, and you tell them that they're the ones playing badly? | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Okay, so someone survived a hit last night. Should the medic and victim claim to each other? Alternatively, should the veteran role claim? I know we've had vets role claim after being hit in the past, but it does give the mafia more info that could help them plan out further hits. Oh, also I suppose the mafia might have really really wanted Foolishness dead and put two hits on him. Or only sent in one hit but I don't think any team would ever agree to that unless it was led by the dark triumvirate of oczec darth and chezinu. And even then darth already admitted he wants as much blood to spill as possible. well according to day post, both the victim and the medic get a PM from the mod so claiming to each other should be safe unless i'm missing some obvious hole here in my tired state. If a vet was hit, he should NOT role claim imo, as i think it gives away too much info (the mafia don't know if it was a med protect or a vet) I think you're right that a double stack is really unlikely. If nobody steps forward to claim the 2nd hit, then it is possible i guess. Whoever took the 2nd hit needs to state it publicly in the thread. The mafia already knows who they hit; there is no disadvantage and the town benefits from this info. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: Not what I meant. What I meant was, if I stop making a bunch of shitty posts and play like the townie that I am, and people decide to lynch me anyway, they aren't playing well. Learn to read before jumping on people under suspicion, it really doesn't help their case. You not playing well got you in this situation in the first place. But, I and probably many other people would be glad to see you turn over a new leaf and make some positive contributions. p.s. Elucidate your points and you won't have the problem of people misinterpreting your posts. | ||
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