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On June 30 2010 15:12 lakrismamma wrote: How does the recruiting affect the game. I guess it makes it harder to make a solid list of trusted townies. We will have to look out for people who changes behavior during the game. The activity of the people in this game will also make in play out different from other games I guess. We don't have to focus on lynchings inactives but can go after behavior directly. You would not trust anyone day 1 anyway. By the time we get a "confirmed" townie the mafia recruiting will be pretty much done/inconsequential. | ||
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1. I like the enthusiastic idea of "going for the GF first" - but without confirmation from a blue role it ain't happening, unless we get exceptionally lucky. 2. Thank god no more "naive" or "paranoid" DTs in this game. Given #1, extending the game gives the blue roles more time to gather information. Korynne's RB idea does this by a very little bit, I don't dislike it so far. 3. Chez and L suggest using the mason / lover pairs... A single mason probably works better since you don't stand to lose two people at once. As Chez says though, they probably know best & can decide together. 4. The mafia "team" is most vulnerable at the beginning, when it numbers 1 or 2 players. This likely impacts their recruitment patterns - ie go for "safer" recruits earlier. 5. youngminii - are you paying attention even a little bit to this game? | ||
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On July 01 2010 14:43 Korynne wrote: Hmm, so if we implement the roleblock idea. We always have one confirmed townie for a day, so that townie can fill the role of the mason role that L mentioned. So we don't have to out a mason. Thoughts on this replacement? ROFL - it'll be like the rotating archon position in ancient Greece, assigned by lot each year! | ||
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Wait, you specifically said you did NOT ask for a mass role-claim: I did not see L suggest it either. | ||
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"confirming" people in this setup is impossible before we kill the gf, so I guess the Mason idea is also something to keep in mind. Oh, and to the new players saying I am "usually " quiet - LOL. When I have the time I LOVE to stir shit up and post a lot. These days I can't because I don't have the time. So I. Adapted my style to try to make a difference when I can. I think that, when I survived, I acqitted myself fine of my obligations. Does that make me a good recruit? Doubt it - a semi-active person on many peoples' radar does not seem like the best choice, but of course reverse psychology argues otherwise. So whatever... we'll see what happens. Tonight, after both babies are asleep, I need to look at the player list carefully to make a GF short list. Neither korynne nor bill will be on it. | ||
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Using the mason as an impartial judge is fine, but still relies on their sound judgement. Information-wise they do have a small advantage over the rest of us: knowledge of / the ability to communicate with one other person. This is not a huge bit of help when it comes to improving our odds, but it's something. Perhaps Chez had a different idea on how to use the masons - he mentioned "rushing" the mafia in his original post but never fully developed that suggestion. I'd love to hear more about the "rush". The RB plan I like a bit more as it could buy us a bit more time for checks, as far as I can tell. Assuming zeks is confirmed, I also believe that as of now (ie: on day 1) Korynne and BM are town. We already know BrownY is town because of the computer access slip-up. youngminii and YellowInk make way too many careless mistakes to my mind to be GF... so I would cross them off the list as well. L / Chezinu... moderately helpful and not out of character. I see no reason to push for lynching them on day 1, but would not necessarily remove them from the GF list. Thegilaboy seems to purposely do just enough to stay off the radar with weak posts like this: On July 02 2010 12:09 Thegilaboy wrote: So zeks will be our friendly townie leader? Sounds good to me, thank god he wasn't claiming jail keeper lol. Which of the following should we base our lynch vote on: 1. Scumminess of posting 2. Inactivity 3. Likelihood they were the first mafia recruit 4. Some other factor Inactives: Abenson, ElyAs. TL;DR - I still think we should use the RB plan. Based on the little info we now have, I will vote for one of Thegilaboy, Abenson or ElyAs. | ||
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On July 03 2010 10:17 L wrote: I'd prefer the following Idea when it comes to roleblocking: Each of us should vote for 3 people we think we should roleblock. Out of the top 3 candidates, the roleblocker himself selects one and tells no one of his choice. In doing this, the threat of the easy lynch/recruitment is lessened, and mafia can't decide to frame people by selectively opting for no-hits. The only issue is that on day 3 we'd need the roleblocker to come out and say what's goin on, but day 3 is already our do or die day. We can switch the jailer to him perpetually thereafter if there is no counter claim. There's a 1/8 chance, or so, that the roleblocker is recruited prior to that point, but given how the coroner works and how mafia can manipulate their own hits, I don't see a superior alternative. That said, I'd be very accomodating to tossing yellowink into the first pool of 3. Better then killing a potentially good player. Wait, wouldn't this defeat the whole purpose here? | ||
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On July 03 2010 11:54 DarthThienAn wrote: Speaking of BrowneY, I'm looking for replacements (2). If a replacement gets back to me within 24 hours, I'll switch him in for BrowneY. If not, I'll remove BrowneY from the game (no modkill) and give his role to a random vanilla townie. Need a replacement for someone else as well, so anyone interested, let me know! ROFL, so the GF could now recruit browny in all confidence, knowing he is blue. Does replacing him would just force us to burn through a lynch? Good stuff... | ||
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On July 04 2010 12:14 YellowInk wrote: Lakrismamma? That seems an odd choice. All he really had to say of merit was that he didn't like me. He also leaned against Abenson. Not a big fan of L's modified plan. I think it was just a shot taken of opportunity. No one likely to cover him. Is there anything else to see here? Other things we learned: 1. A killing did take place - the RB did not target the day 1 recruit. 2. Lakarismama was likely not the other mason, so we're good on that front. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 15:57 lakrismamma wrote: I think that the masons have to decide themselves if its a good idea that one of them roleclaim. If they consider themselves strong players who can lead the hunt they should. If now it just outs a role that blocks the recruiting. Actually if one of the masons are a better mafia player the other one should out himself and act as a spokesperson for them both. If he somehow gets killed we still have the other one. The claimed mason should act as a coordinator for blue actions. And should of course be protected by the jailkeeper. | ||
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On July 04 2010 13:36 Divinek wrote: you know the more i think about it the more it seems like L's plan benefits red more than town. Because if our claimed mason is lying we don't know it, only the mob would know. Just seems giving the mob 100% real info while town is only getting info as far as we can reasonably trust doesnt seem as good for us. So we go on his word that he's a confirmed townie when he could easily be red and why would anyone ever question it, because as soon as a real mason steps out to say something about it they're either going to die, or they're just going to actually give the gf a person not to waste a recruit attempt on. And even if we figure all this out and lynch the fake claimed mason that's just 1 of infinitely many mafia down while a real mason is actually outed and we wouldnt know it to protect for sure until it was too late. Cause none of this stuff can be confirmed without a DT check or coroner after death and why waste a check on a claimed mason as a GF would never be dumb enough to do something like that. At least i see it as nearly beneficial for both of the masons to stay silent and keep the GF's odds lower on success while maybe pushing for the lynch of the fake claimer? That's if it's actually fake, while thus far it could be reasonable to assume it's real. Or maybe that doesnt quite play out like i think it does but hurrah for generating discussion And if our mason really is a mason why waste any actions on him, since red thinks we're going to protect him they wouldnt waste time trying to take him out since they figure he's going to be safe anyways. Though i guess there's not much else to use a jailkeeper for unless you're going to be randomly trying to stop recruitment and that has a pretty slim chance of working sooo yeah. Not that im at this point claiming L to be scummy for the plan, but maybe he could go into more depth how it'd be more useful for town than mob. I think in this set-up fake claims are hugely damaging in this set-up general, since we don't learn the alignment of the dead. For the sake of the argument - let's say the mafia claim DT and say "OMG - I found the GF!!". Then we lynch that (innocent) player but... don't know if they were red, unless we use the coroner the next night. If we use it, the coroner loses their power, so the 2nd time a mafia goon does this we can't even verify it at all. Does that mean the mafia can do this every single day in principle, leading to perpetual mis-lynches? Even if we correctly kill the supposed DT as well (a 2x lynch for example), the GF would be safe since we're wasting the town KP on goons. The whole set-up seems fucked up, unless I just don't understand something obvious here. Maybe I just need sleep. | ||
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On July 04 2010 14:45 Chezinu wrote: The two mafia recruits should claim masons now. After that take citizen's advice and say that one of you is the DT and have that DT accuse someone for being the GF. But be careful not to accuse me or the real godfather because that would not be fun. Go after the readables and leave the unreadables alone. I'm just revealing mafia advice so that the town can benefit.. not that I'm a traitor or anything..Citi*cough*zen... just kidding.. or am I? ROFL. Did you just claim traitor? | ||
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I will vote for Chez next. His 12 player suspect list serves no purpose but to try to shift attention from himself - I see no reason not to include his name on that list. Then he tells the mafia to fake claim but to be sure not to kill him. He always plays crazy, but I'd feel like a moron if I ignored his behavior based on that. | ||
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On July 05 2010 05:06 Bill Murray wrote: ok im going to unvote then I never thought Korynne was red, but you supposedly did, so I am curious: why the change of mind? has your analysis of Korynne changed, or do you view Ace as so much better than Korynne that keeping him alive is worth the extra risk? | ||
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