• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:45
CEST 11:45
KST 18:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL62Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?13FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event21Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? PiG Sty Festival #5: Playoffs Preview + Groups Recap
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series WardiTV Mondays FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Korean Starcraft League Week 77 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Practice Partners (Official) ASL20 Preliminary Maps SC uni coach streams logging into betting site
Tourneys
[BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 691 users

TL Mafia XXVII

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 04 2010 04:46 GMT
#54
Ace's playing? Auto-in to get him killed day 1-2.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 04 2010 23:59 GMT
#72
On June 05 2010 07:08 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 07:05 Ace wrote:
huh? I've never even killed L in any games we've played. It's always him trying to kill me.

But getting you killed is so much fun! It's obvious why he always does it.

EXACTLY.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 00:18 GMT
#158
How am I supposed to accomplish my pre-game goal of killing Ace if Ace quit?

I'ma accept the moral victory for scaring him :3.

(also, ace-kins, amazon is selling pre-orders for GW2 and I expect you there).

So yeah, lets read some rules and think up STRATEGIES, brb.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 01:06 GMT
#162
On June 10 2010 07:20 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm...
Semi-open setups are tricky, since we know what roles there can be but not the number. However, since there is a given number of mafia we should be able to roughly estimate what kind of blue powers (and/or extraneous mafia powers) there are in the game.

17 people and four mafia, so the mafia comprise 23.5% of the town's population. Normally in Incognito's games, the mafia comprise a flat 20% of the total population and blue roles are adjusted based on that, and given the fact that there are more varied roles than in these more 'standard' games, I'd assume we'd have some of those. Let's see...

Incognito likes Mad Hatters. I can't remember if that is his or Qatol's (perhaps both?) favourite role, but most likely there will be one Hatter.

Obviously, it'd be ludicrous to say that there isn't a medic, though the question is whether or not there's one medic or two. I'm split between the numbers, since either could work... A self-saving medic is way more powerful, and that would mean there would probably only be one medic. However, Incognito has ninja'ed in the fact that medics cannot save themselves, so two medics is probable.

Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either.

There is a Veteran, most likely. Since it is a passive blue role, I'd count it as a half.

Because you can't have too many blue roles without balancing Mafia powers as well...
There will probably be a Mafia-aligned Day vigilante, and perhaps a town-aligned one. If there are two medics (or two of anything) I'd find it more likely that there'd be a roleblocker. Probably to throw off the DT, there will be one, at most but probably not, two Millers.

Of course, this is all conjectural based on how I would potentially balance a game.

Well, as far as I can see it, there's two possibilities. We probably have a single day-vig in the game based on how the role was described; Its put apart in a black format and given that the role counts are useless, I'd have expected a red/blue name instead.

If there is just one Dvig, then there's 3 possibilities:

1) Real SK type with alternate win goals. Highly unlikely given a single day shot.
2) Town controlled day vig, maybe 4 blues total besides the Dvig, medic, dt, watcher, vet/hatter.
3) Mafia controlled Dvig.
- If there's a roleblocker there are probably 7 blues. 1 of each type most likely.
- If there isn't, I'd guess 5-6.

Double medics in a 1 kp setup is absolutely ridiculous, have both claim early and have the watcher check them. You will have a 50% chance at finding the roleblocker. If a vet or hatter lied and stepped up to get blown up, even more ridiculously powerful. Gives DT and watchers 3 free checks. Given that if double medics are in play, I'd count them as 3 blues for the above totals.

So how do we abuse this information? Well, its simple, pimple. We can do this 2 ways.
1) Mass roleclaim asap because mafia need to spend 7 days shredding our blue totals. Unlike the prior game with 0 minute long days and 3 total kp/day (of which, the town kp was only marginally controlled), we now have full days and 2 kp total, which means this game will go until day 6 at the minimum. Medics obviously lie and vet/hatter claim DT/Watcher respectively so that mafia are 50% screened in their attempt at hitting any of our info roles. That way its pretty impossible to hit into our blues safely.
2) RANDOM BULLSHIT.

Given that 1) is a better plan, we'll probably end up having haters bring the hate because my name is a letter long and go with 2) under fears that a nearly impossible to lose game will crumble under the weight of "L is too dangerous to listen to". Your call.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 02:53 GMT
#169
Haters gonna hate.

I understand.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 04:35 GMT
#178
what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims?
Well, maybe try reading the plan before posting.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 04:41 GMT
#180
Outing yourself as the tracker which is probably the most powerful blue role this game seems like such a terrible idea right now.
Unless he's a hatter or vet and is claiming as instructed.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 05:28 GMT
#183
And there's number two to do the math wrong.

I'm off to sleep. I work now so I won't be around during the day but i'll be back around 8pm est. maybe i'll post tmr morning if i'm not too sleepy.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 10 2010 13:07 GMT
#189
On June 10 2010 17:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
L your plan has some flaws.

1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.

I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L.

Gotta go to work so only a quick recap:

1) DT needs to find sanity regardless of any plan we use. We also wouldn't kill the DT after seeing that the target he calls flips miller.

REALLY poor logic on your part seeing as the uncertainty exists because of the role. I haven't specified a use for the DT (yet), so worrying that we'll hit a miller is pretty hilarious.

2) Ok. Let them lie. If we have a legit DT, we trade a DT for a mafia member on day 1, which is pretty tits given how weak our DTs are.

3) Then we end with 9+ blues and we know people are lying and that the majority of our townies are legit. Mafia are now in a position where they need to lie about their night actions and lie about them correctly. I say no one visited, say, citi.zen because I watched him? Well, fuck, a medic or DT did. Or shit, a tracker watched me and saw that I didn't visit anyone.

I mean, your objections aren't flaws at all. There ARE flaws, but those aren't any of them.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 11 2010 01:40 GMT
#241
Lol, i get back from work and jesus you people have bad reading comprehension.


YES i do tell 3 classes of people to lie about their role. Vet/hatter need to claim to be dt/watcher/tracker. Medic needs to lie in whatever way he feels necessary. Why? Because this forces mafia to lie. If we had everyone claim and we have like only 4 blues total, we KNOW they're legit because the number's hyper low. If we have everyone claim and we have 9 blues, we KNOW some of them are lying. No other role should lie, and the roles that ARE lying should only be lying in the way set out above.

On that note, I'm townie, brosefs.

We have decided there is probably around 4-5 greens

Look at the game numbers. 17 players. 13 town. 4 mafia. 7 blue roles. We're likely to have 4-7 blues max, giving us at the worst 6 greens. The game is 1 kp with 17 players in play. Every correct lynch we have buys us a day. Every medic prot buys us a day. We have potential 3 information roles. With 2 players down a day and a minimum of 8 people alive if we chain-mishit, we have 9 deaths until we're in near death situation. That means we can screw up every single day until day 5 and still win. Given that, I'd be very shocked to see us packing 8-9 blues as per your estimate.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 12 2010 00:31 GMT
#307
Shit I'm back, voting timeeeeeeeeeeeee
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 12 2010 00:38 GMT
#308
On June 12 2010 08:03 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok so we have 1 tracker, 1 watcher, and 2 detectives claimed. This makes sense according to L's plan, as 2 of them are hatter/vets and are lying. If you have claimed townie or have not RC'd at all and are one of the roles that should be claiming tracker/watcher then do so immediately so we have a better idea of whether there are mafia hiding in the blue RCs. Otherwise we can probably trust the RC'd blues.

Changing my vote from meeple to redtooth as per radfield's above reasoning. If meeple is lying we can probably figure it out later.

That sounds about right if we have a medic who's refused to claim and that one of the DTs is a Vet/Hatter.

If no one's lying thusfar, that's pretty odd, because that would mean there's no Dvig, and quite frankly introducing a new role then not using it is pretty fucked.

So the Dvig has thus refused to claim, which is kinda odd given that I'd have expected him to get priority for medic protection, but the alternative scenario, a mafia Dvig, is unlikely unless we have multiple townie liars.

So yeah, good showing but there's 1-2 holdouts that are kinda fucking stage 2. Please do not use your night roles until I give you brosefs some heads up. Don't want to give a mafia Dvig the chance to sacrifice himself to prevent an assured win by spilling the beans now.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 12 2010 01:19 GMT
#312
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 12 2010 02:02 GMT
#318
On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.

Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.

Please do not send in your night action right away!!!

Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 12 2010 02:35 GMT
#322
On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.

Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.

Please do not send in your night action right away!!!

Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.


If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 12 2010 03:56 GMT
#327
On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.

Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.

Please do not send in your night action right away!!!

Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.


If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own?


lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive

I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 13 2010 00:29 GMT
#366
On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened.

Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation?

Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker.

Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless.

Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 13 2010 01:18 GMT
#375
On June 13 2010 09:46 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 09:42 MooCow wrote:
So in terms of waiting for blue information we only have to wait for LuDwig and meeple? I don't think anyone else rc'd a blue role other than the dead treehugger.

I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned.



Correct

Yeah, really hoping our watcher turned something up.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 13 2010 01:34 GMT
#377
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 13 2010 02:03 GMT
#380
On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them.


L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other.

Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting.

Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 158
Crank 67
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 8950
Horang2 2310
Bisu 745
Hyuk 663
Leta 366
Soma 287
TY 181
Killer 177
PianO 158
ToSsGirL 139
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 104
ZerO 73
Rush 52
JulyZerg 36
Free 28
HiyA 22
zelot 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Movie 6
ivOry 4
Sacsri 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 732
XcaliburYe715
Fuzer 235
League of Legends
JimRising 571
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1871
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor292
Other Games
Happy482
crisheroes235
Pyrionflax194
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH327
• LUISG 27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2314
League of Legends
• Lourlo1231
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
15m
Clem vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
Tasteless158
Crank 67
FEL
2h 15m
WardiTV European League
2h 15m
BSL: ProLeague
8h 15m
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
FEL
6 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.