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AcrossFiveJulys
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AcrossFiveJulys
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And argh I didn't realize this was gonna be a clue game... I like to analyze people by their posts rather than clues, but oh well. | ||
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From the looks of it, YellowInk appears pro town. He is rational, yet hot headed. However, I want to say that I am still suspicious of him. Just because people are saying rational things on day 1 does not mean they are town. You can say a lot of pro town things to help the town on day 1 and have it all lost in the flurry of activity but still make your name look pro town psychologically in the future. For examples of this type of thing happening (even past day 1) look at Ingonito's behavior in TL Mafia XXVI. He was mafia and played a hot headed, smart, arrogant townie much like YellowInk is playing. YellowInk is going very far to make himself look pro town; the question is why? Did anyone else notice that he announced his candidacy for mayor after his name was brought to question because of the printer explosion clue? I'm not accusing him of being mafia but I want everyone supporting him to take a second look at his post history before voting for him as mayor. Darth is playing a lackadaisical, prudent, friendly townie. It doesn't appear to me as if he is putting much thought into his posts, just sort of sitting down and writing whatever comes to mind. This shows me that he isn't trying to conceal anything. Also, this post essentially proves to me that he's probably not mafia: So, I'd probably be lynching either LaXer, barth, IcySoul, or AFJ, in that order. That quote was taken from his suggestion of who to lynch off the inactives list. I know I'm townie, and we also suspect that at least one of those people is mafia due to their inactiveness; therefore, if he were mafia, he'd list me (knowing that I'm town) closer to the front in the hope that I would get lynched, and most likely list his mafia friend last. I know this logic doesn't work for anyone else since they do not know my role, but this is one reason why I am confident that Darth is town. To summarize, let's be very careful about electing YellowInk as mayor. Let's pay close attention to those who did not vote for him and then are quickly jumping on. I'm keeping my vote for Darth for now. | ||
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On June 06 2010 07:19 DCLXVI wrote: Another thing I noticed and is potentially harmful is how people (mainly me) use either or statements. Either he could be a townie and doing this or a mafia and doing that. However, there is always the possibility that clever scum are trying to trick you into thinking that they are townie. I usually just state the two most likely options, but more experienced players could be playing a higher game. Granted that is normally risky for mafia, but with a pool of new and old players it is less risky. That's not harmful. It's basically the only thing we can do that isn't based off hard evidence (collections of clues, detective findings). It is true that meta level reasoning can be used by the mafia to mislead the town, but I wouldn't expect that in this game. Consistently playing a role that will work that way is difficult. So, let's focus on thinking logically at all times. I did notice my name being mentioned as suspicious (due to a clue) and being inactive (for that I apologize). I don't like to participate and throw accusations out a lot in day 1 of a mafia game because there isn't a lot of evidence to go by and it just serves to confuse. If you look at the last mafia game I played in (XVI) you'll notice that my participation skyrocketed after Day 2 (granted, I was an assassin, but I was playing town-aligned because that was most advantageous for staying alive). However, I have been following the thread closely and tracking certain people's behavior. Day tomorrow is when we we are going to start having some interesting discussions  | ||
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On June 06 2010 14:02 Misder wrote: I'm sorry, I meant AcrossFiveJuly. AcrossFiveJulys damnit! LOL Thats cool though. I'll be BurnFiveJulys. Call me BFJ. | ||
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On June 06 2010 13:47 Thegilaboy wrote: Damn this badass profile pic, causing me more trouble than good! Although I don't think much blood stays on a psi/warp blade, it does certainly look like I am a prime suspect. Unfortunate for me, seeing as I know I'm clean, and for the town. But I'll focus on the clues for now, and see what I can do to help the town while I still can. Death 1: Very ninja like, a clean assassination. I suppose look for individuals who have profiles pointing towards being stealthy, and handy with a knife (and that includes me, I know) Death 2: A weight, so look for clues that have to do with mass. AFJ references weights in his profile. I suppose the mention of "nothing standing in the way of overwhelming power" in Icysoul's profile matches someone barreling the victim out of the window. CompX's mention of a tiny stone giant match as well. That's what I've got for now, I'll be taking a better look soon. Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect. | ||
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On June 06 2010 11:44 YellowInk wrote: A note to the town at large - while this will provide evidence to whomever claims to be hit (assuming there is no argument and only one comes forward) that they are town, it's not 100% as the mafia could choose to decline a hit for just this purpose. But it'll be awfully good evidence. I know there have been a few accusations thrown out at me lately; I'll address those in my next post. But I want to emphasize the shit out of this post by yellowink. Do not put 100% trust in MTF. This could easily be a ploy by the mafia to draw blues by PM and get MTF into the mayor/pardoner circle (if there is one). I think we should trust MTF to be town, but not trust him enough to have the blues PM him. | ||
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On June 05 2010 12:07 LaXerCannon wrote: ... AcrossFiveJulys: Hint: showering Incognito with burning hot… “burn your wings” Just sharing one word is a rather weak clue, but it's fair that you pointed it out. On June 06 2010 02:20 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly fits the description of I post a lot but not on this thread. post last week: 33 post in the game: 3 Then there are numerous inactives who just doesn't post on TL at all therefore making them less likely be to mafia. Ok, that's a fair thing to point out. That ratio should be much different now (36 to 8 or so). That method, though, also detects people who are in a mafia game but apathetic to whats going on, so in my eyes it might be a better detector for town inactives. I dunno you could argue it either way. On June 07 2010 00:15 Misder wrote: AcrossFiveJulys seems to be dodging accusations against him. I think he has the most suspicious behavior, and there are clues pointing to him that he has not defend. I think we should clue check the barricade clue. I new to this game to, so im not sure if clues can be hidden in the description of the people. zeks profile has connections to winning (his quote "winning isn't everything, its the ONLY thing" Icysoul has connections to the pushing barth out of the window. "Nothing can stand in the way of overwhelming power". But don't count AcrossFiveJulys out cause he also has the "weights in gym" I'm not sure what to say to this except for this is part of what led me to write this post (saying I haven't responded to clue accusations), and also it's just another weak clue connection. I'm not going to defend myself by saying "hey wait, that clue points at these other people too" like gilgaboy did because I'm not going to point fingers at other people because of stupid weak clues. On June 07 2010 01:53 crate wrote: Post 314 is worthless. AFJ therefore is voting before he's said anything in the main thread; Called out for inactivity and responds (post 599); says Darth + YellowInk is likely pro-town (442); claims to be much more active on Day 2 (post 599); responds to Thegilaboy's accusation (post 657). Thoughts: I don't like voting without reasoning and especially voting before you've said anything. He's played mafia before and calls Day 1 unimportant but in a previous game he played (here, he says this: Which really doesn't match up with in post 599. (I was reading over that previous game as it happened and I thought there was plenty of information on Day 1 in it myself). The point is that even though I had a feeling about billmurray, I did not push it and try to get him lynched early on because I knew how easy it is to misclassify people early on. I also think it's odd that AcrossFiveJulys tells Thegilaboy to look for clues pointing at AFJ in the Day 2 post (in post 657). I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of this. I have no idea what you're talking about here, care to explain? Perhaps you misunderstood my post? by the way, how are you able to number all of people's posts in this thread? Is there an automated post tracking bot, because I can't find it. Furthermore he claims that he's been tracking certain people's behavior (post 599) without posting any thoughts on whom or why. I definitely want to see what AFJ has to say today and I'm interested in whom he was watching. I've been tracking littlechava, you (crate), and zeks. I'll be posting later on my thoughts of each. | ||
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On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. MTF wrote: It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. So... MTF states this scenario as a possibility, then claims to be hit the next night. sputnik comes up with a very interesting and plausible scenario, then MTF states that it's a "ridiculously convoluted scheme" even though he mentioned it as a possibility earlier. I would hardly call that a "ridiculously convoluted" scheme, since all that happened is he hinted at the possibility of such a scheme existing and then may have gone through with it (it's actually a smart scheme). I find sputnik's theory very interesting, as it matches perfectly with clues in a subtle way and explains a very improbable occurrence (successful medic protect on first night). Note that MTF has not claimed to have been contacted by a medic but did say that it was a medic who saved him. The best thing MTF could have done is keep his mouth shut about whether a medic was protecting him or not. Then, the mafia would not know whether their hit was blocked because he is a veteran or medic protected. MTF should know this as a seasoned mafia player. Does this seem strange to anyone else? | ||
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On June 07 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: Well, MTF could be the godfather, which would help his story fit even better under a rolecheck. We really need to hear from the medic that saved him. I think a somewhat risky but very rewarding strategy may be to vote lynch MTF until the medic role claimed to you and DTA. Even if one of you two are mafia, the other would report no pm from medics. Also, if the medic was then hit we know that it is extremely likely that one of you two is scum. possible risks that I see: the medic doesn't roleclaim for some reason, and we lose a valuable poster YI pardons him and gives some bs excuse... still good for town I think a mafia fake roleclaims (maybe even the godfather with dt as his fake role). Then MTF would gain false townie credit. Still, we have to assume that it is likely that only the GF would try a risky strategy like this. The roleclaiming mafia could then be rolechecked. I like your thinking, but there's a glaring problem: it's possible that a mafia could pretend to be the "medic who saved MTF". Since that medic would only be PMing darth/YI, there would be no way a detective could role check him unless darth/YI are detectives or are in private contact with a detective. | ||
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On June 07 2010 08:45 crate wrote: I just found it odd that you'd specifically tell him to look for clues that pointed at you rather than someone else. Like I said, I don't know if this means anything. Might as well wrap up the discussion on this point, since I still have no idea what you're talking about. Here's my post you referenced (657) AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect. Perhaps you misunderstood the 2nd line? I'm just saying that he (gilga) defended himself by saying the clues could have pointed at other people including me, which is rather suspicious. | ||
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On June 06 2010 13:05 MTF wrote: Nice try, Mafia! I'm the one who survived the hit last night, though considering the other two people Mafia targeted, I confess to being a little confused. Perhaps they figured they should target one obvious/two unobvious to strengthen their chances of not encountering a medic. Guess it kind of worked...? :p I'll be checking through clues now. It sounds to me that you are implying a medic protected you. Care to clarify? I'm disturbed (as are others, it seems) that you refuse to say whether a medic protected you, and whether a medic contacted you. Could you please provide reasons for this? I can think of some but I want to hear it from you. | ||
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On June 07 2010 14:31 MTF wrote: I was only trying to figure out Mafia's thought processes. I'm guessing that the "Guess it kind of worked...?" portion is what confused you. I was not implying that I survived a hit via medic, rather that their strategy did not entirely pan out, regardless of the circumstances. What was it that kind of worked? Our medic protection scheme or the mafia's target selection scheme? The reason for the bottom portion was laid out in your first post. I'm not telling the Mafia why their hit failed. It confuses me as to why you suddenly want me to announce whether I've been in contact with a medic when part of your argument from before was to state that I should have known better. I'm not asking you to announce it, but rather your reasons for not announcing. If it's just the reason that I posted earlier, then fine. I was very suspicious of you before when it seemed you had admitted a medic protected you but didn't say whether he PMd you afterwards, but it seems you never meant to admit that a medic saved you in the first place. | ||
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Crate: + Show Spoiler + -Delves into details of game rules. Exchanges PM with flamewheel regarding the existence of role blocking mafia. -Post #243: Discusses situation where medic successfully saves. He mentions that the medic should PM the person he saved, so that person will know 100% that who a medic is. -Repeatedly says he's going to avoid clue analysis because he's bad at it. -Says that threatening to go after inactives only has teeth if you lynch inactives. Begins accusing Deuce for the first time and is neutral on Gilga. -Most of his posts are long and carefully crafted. town [--|-------] mafia littlechava: + Show Spoiler + -Has spent time analyzing clues but disagrees with making hasty decisions based off of them -Says he trusts crate -Says a mafia could pretend to be a medic who saved MTF: He's suggesting that the medic who saved MTF come out and tell MTF that he's a blue role/they're both on the same side. Questionable tactic though, since MTF probably wouldn't be able to trust the guy - it could just be some mafia member trying to gain his trust. MTF has no way of verifying whether the person PMing him actually saved him. That's a weird post, because clearly in that case MTF would get PMs from 2 "medics" and we would have some solid evidence that 1 of them is mafia (which crate pointed out earlier I believe). That would actually help the town. -Says he "guesses" that deuce should be targeted after someone mentions his name. (Bandwagoning behavior) -Very few of his posts really contain much content, several apologize for being inactive, many one liners. Comments: Overall his behavior is a little strange. He enters into most important discussions but his post doesn't add much. It's as if he's trying to put on the appearance of being an active townie without actually contributing anything. I'm not ready to drop a verdict on him at this point so let's give him another day or so. town [------|---] mafia zeks: + Show Spoiler + -Active in clue scraping early on -Very much against YI for mayor -Ran for mayor -Claims townie -Butt hurt about not getting support for mayor -Inactivity plummets after not getting elected -Argues against double lynch -Asks for clarifaction on whether the vet/medic hit save is discernable for the mafia Comments: I'm inclined to think zeks is likely town. Most of what he says makes sense, and his story of going for a mayor or pardoner role due to being vanilla townie adds up, as does his period of inactivity after his election failed. town [--|-------] mafia | ||
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CompX only has a few posts and in one of them he even said guys, I think ElyAs can be a mafia That's a little weird. Gives no excuse for inactivity. 3 Lions only has a few posts, and they are entirely focused on accusing people based on clues. He gives the excuse of being the end of school term for why he's inactive. Hugoboss21 just has a few useless posts about who to elect as mayor. Gives no excuse for inactivity. I don't mind lynching deuce today, but let's see if we can get some more juicy candidates before we reach a majority. The only evidence we have against deuce is him acting like an idiot (no clues, no posting behavior). | ||
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He's also linked to the "super fast assassin" clue as was pointed out earlier by sputnik, since both him and MooCow share exactly the same profile and it's plausible that it wasn't just a fast assassin but 2 different people. | ||
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On June 07 2010 20:32 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly, you have to accept that this is a mafia game for newer players and not everyone will be willing to keep up with the insane amount of reading. I like to look at a poster's recent posts not just here but on Teamliquid. TyranoS_NiveK fits into the category of "I don't care about Teamliquid." Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 11:45 LunarDestiny wrote: LaXerCannon, okay. If you say that the TheGilaBoys use both quality of Stalker and DT for his crime then this is all I have to say. But you have to agree that combining the quality of both character is possible but not likely. If you compare reasons for lynching TheGilaBoys (very questionable clues but also a more useful poster) to lynching Deucegladlier (inactive and horrible posters, voting behavior between LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX, and Deucegladlier). If Deucegladlier can step up and do some explaining and maybe even contribute, otherwise I say lynching Deucegladlier is a better choice. [QUOTE]On June 07 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: You have to agree that DeuceGladlier is a much better lynch target than TheGilaBoys.[/QUOTE | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
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On June 07 2010 20:32 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly, you have to accept that this is a mafia game for newer players and not everyone will be willing to keep up with the insane amount of reading. I like to look at a poster's recent posts not just here but on Teamliquid. TyranoS_NiveK fits into the category of "I don't care about Teamliquid." Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 11:45 LunarDestiny wrote: LaXerCannon, okay. If you say that the TheGilaBoys use both quality of Stalker and DT for his crime then this is all I have to say. But you have to agree that combining the quality of both character is possible but not likely. If you compare reasons for lynching TheGilaBoys (very questionable clues but also a more useful poster) to lynching Deucegladlier (inactive and horrible posters, voting behavior between LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX, and Deucegladlier). If Deucegladlier can step up and do some explaining and maybe even contribute, otherwise I say lynching Deucegladlier is a better choice. On June 07 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: You have to agree that DeuceGladlier is a much better lynch target than TheGilaBoys. | ||
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On June 07 2010 21:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Deuce is not just a "I don't care about TL" guy. He makes somewhat decent posts on the damn K-pop forum. He knows how to embed youtube video and also have the time to find animated GIFs to post on the DAMN K-pop forum. I hate k-pop in general because they are bad. And some are so bad, that they are good. In the K-pop thread, he has two posts on June 5th and one on June 7th. So basically just one post on teamliquid outside the mafia since the game has really started. I'd hardly call that someone active on TL outside mafia. I really think he's a terrible target at this point. | ||
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