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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
December 08 2009 17:42 GMT
#1
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement

Chet Baker was a leading jazz musician in the 1950s, playing trumpet and providing vocals. Baker died in 1988, yet he is about to add a new claim to fame as the lead plaintiff in possibly the largest copyright infringement case in Canadian history. His estate, which still owns the copyright in more than 50 of his works, is part of a massive class-action lawsuit that has been underway for the past year.

The infringer has effectively already admitted owing at least $50 million and the full claim could exceed $60 billion. If the dollars don't shock, the target of the lawsuit undoubtedly will: The defendants in the case are Warner Music Canada, Sony BMG Music Canada, EMI Music Canada, and Universal Music Canada, the four primary members of the Canadian Recording Industry Association.

The CRIA members were hit with the lawsuit in October 2008 after artists decided to turn to the courts following decades of frustration with the rampant infringement (I am adviser to the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic, which is co-counsel, but have had no involvement in the case).

The claims arise from a longstanding practice of the recording industry in Canada, described in the lawsuit as "exploit now, pay later if at all." It involves the use of works that are often included in compilation CDs (ie. the top dance tracks of 2009) or live recordings. The record labels create, press, distribute and sell the CDs, but do not obtain the necessary copyright licences.

Instead, the names of the songs on the CDs are placed on a "pending list," which signifies that approval and payment is pending. The pending list dates back to the late 1980s, when Canada changed its copyright law by replacing a compulsory licence with the need for specific authorization for each use. It is perhaps better characterized as a copyright infringement admission list, however, since for each use of the work, the record label openly admits that it has not obtained copyright permission and not paid any royalty or fee.

Over the years, the size of the pending list has grown dramatically, now containing more than 300,000 songs.

From Beyonce to Bruce Springsteen, the artists waiting for payment are far from obscure, as thousands of Canadian and foreign artists have seen their copyrights used without permission and payment.

It is difficult to understand why the industry has been so reluctant to pay its bills. Some works may be in the public domain or belong to a copyright owner difficult to ascertain or locate, yet the likes of Sarah McLachlan, Bruce Cockburn, Sloan, or the Watchmen are not hidden from view.

The more likely reason is that the record labels have had little motivation to pay up. As the balance has grown, David Basskin, the president and CEO of the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Ltd., notes in his affidavit that "the record labels have devoted insufficient resources for identifying and paying the owners of musical works on the pending lists." The CRIA members now face the prospect of far greater liability.

The class action seeks the option of statutory damages for each infringement. At $20,000 per infringement, potential liability exceeds $60 billion.

These numbers may sound outrageous, yet they are based on the same rules that led the recording industry to claim a single file sharer is liable for millions in damages.

After years of claiming Canadian consumers disrespect copyright, the irony of having the recording industry face a massive lawsuit will not be lost on anyone, least of all the artists still waiting to be paid. Indeed, they are also seeking punitive damages, arguing "the conduct of the defendant record companies is aggravated by their strict and unremitting approach to the enforcement of their copyright interests against consumers."

Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or at michaelgeist.ca



The amount to be payed seems to be based on the same rules the companies use against users when pirating stuff over the net. Shows how much the companies care about the artists and music itself and how much extra value they add the an artists work. lol
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
December 08 2009 17:57 GMT
#2
Lol. PirateBay riles up the offensive.
Peace~
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 08 2009 18:02 GMT
#3
Yeah, they're pretty much hypocrites. That we already knew though.

Good to see that they're getting some of what they were dishing out back.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 08 2009 18:06 GMT
#4
Haha. Mininova strikes from the grave.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 08 2009 18:13 GMT
#5
This gave me a warm feeling inside.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 08 2009 18:28 GMT
#6
Haha... thats a bit of irony for you. Insane amount of money. If that actually goes through I'll be really happy. But generally I think the legal maze will string this out for years and eventually nothing will come of it
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
December 08 2009 18:36 GMT
#7
"These numbers may sound outrageous, yet they are based on the same rules that led the recording industry to claim a single file sharer is liable for millions in damages."
wow, let those fuckers burn
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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
December 08 2009 18:46 GMT
#8
i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 08 2009 18:53 GMT
#9
I love it.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 08 2009 18:54 GMT
#10
This is amazing...oh my goodness.

The irony is utterly ridiculous.
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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
December 08 2009 18:55 GMT
#11
On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote:
i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious


I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
December 08 2009 19:06 GMT
#12
Yummy. I have a nice feeling in my mouth, just like after a nice sweat meal
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unsmart
Profile Joined April 2009
United States322 Posts
December 08 2009 19:17 GMT
#13
On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote:
i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious


I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it.

So many paper cuts....


This news is hilarious, though I doubt that they are going to get the full amount the artists are looking for.
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
December 08 2009 19:28 GMT
#14
Dr Cox:
"I love this moment so much, I want to have sex with it."
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Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
December 08 2009 19:37 GMT
#15
Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 19:48:59
December 08 2009 19:48 GMT
#16
Let's dance along to all of our pirated music!

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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
December 08 2009 19:59 GMT
#17
On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote:
i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious


I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it.


I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts (just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest.
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bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
December 08 2009 20:06 GMT
#18
This happens on T.V. networks and movie distributors as well.
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
December 08 2009 20:09 GMT
#19
karma, irony, justice.
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
December 08 2009 20:14 GMT
#20
On December 09 2009 04:28 number1gog wrote:
Dr Cox:
"I love this moment so much, I want to have sex with it."

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