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WGT)DarkXprT
Profile Joined October 2005
Qatar428 Posts
January 02 2006 09:21 GMT
#1
Loloko2 and Superpenguin, PMs are still there, admins can check them and confirm they were sent by the original users.

To: superpenguin
Subject: Very Serious Accusation.
Date: 5/14 09:02
Hey.. i've been watching reps with your program.. today i downloaded from ygclan a replay of Sea.s2 aka NaDa, Well, according to your program NaDa seems to be 'cheating' in 2 occasion during the game... First he moves on mineral field which he didnt have vision for a goof while, and then he atacks mutalisk that he never saw 'cause they were just built...

anyway please, download the replay and tell me if im wrong (i really wish i am) or tell me NaDa kind of cheated in that game...

Here is the replay link:

http://ygclan.vgaclub.co.kr/?m=replay&board=gosureplay&rno=48293

The next replay vs the same Zerg is here.

http://ygclan.vgaclub.co.kr/?m=replay&board=gosureplay&rno=48295

In that replay he ALSO did very suspicious action, clicking on a Vespene Gayser without vision for a very very good while..

Ill wait for your final answer

Greetings

-----------------

From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: Very Serious Accusation.
Date: 5/14 11:07
I will check it, but the more probable explainantion is to check for borderline case, or if the replay is from an old patch/corrupted, or from someone smurfing nada in a fake replay.

If it's one of the 2 first ones, i will ask you to copy 20 times on a paper "I will respect penguin's method before i think someone is a cheater"


From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: Very Serious Accusation.
Date: 5/14 13:57
I watched just 2 times it and i think that your opinion might be accurate, but i will need more time to check and recheck.

The thing that you realy need to be 100% sure is that the player is realy nada, and not any nada copy, nada spoofer, or anything that would make this replay a fake. When i accused selectors and lois, i knew that the wgt bot was there in case of problems to validate the player's name, and also the risk of someone wanting to pretend he is "as good as lois" by copying his name and using a maphack was very low it's important to check this BEFORE you start to explain people that you have doubt about this replay containing maphack proof.

Do you understand korean ? can you check the comments on the site you gave to me, maybe you can try to ask them if they can be sure if it's a spoof or not. Is the replay posted by nada himself ? do you know any nada fan that could check with their excelent knowledge of him if the hotkeys / style / base layout match 100% with nada way of playing (theres more than 1 player that can have a 300 apm).

If you can give me the proof that he is nada for sure, i will continue to investigate to know if the replay contains cheating proof or not, but i cant give my final analyse on this replay if you cant authentify the players in it.

an other thing that i would like to tell you : If you want to accuse someone, you have to be particulary accurate about the exact time of the suspicious actions.


From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: About NaDa replay
Date: 5/15 05:29
ok, your name will remain completely annonymous, and even the fact that "someone else" pointed me the replay if you wish.

i dont know yet if i will use it, but if i do :
I will try to see with other people known in the sc communauty, to ask
1- if they think it's realy nada
2- if they agree on the proof
3- if they think it should stay secret that he cheated "just cos it's nada"

it can take 2 weeks, or more, or less

If they have the same opinion as i do, i will first start a thread "R] is it realy nada in this replay ?", then an other thread about possible proof of cheating in those replays, i will apear to be less than 100% sure, because i'm going to be heavily flamed, like 100x more than when i denounced lois, so i better not announce the fact in a too agressive way


From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: :o
Date: 5/15 11:15
I will do it with my name, but i need 2 weeks before, to talk about this to some other names in the SC communauty, before it goes public.

I still belive it could be a smurf, in general theres more vod than replays for progammers like nada, and i dont want to risk nada reputation if it's not him.


--------

He never made a thread about it, he didn't want to risk it...

I don't have the replays, but it was this year, Date: 5(May)/14th 09:02, check for your replays, ask penguinplug if you know him for the replay..... look at wgtour, and other replay sites--

Lost Temple, TvZ NaDa at 9 oclock vs Zerg at 3' (at least in one game, dont remember the other one) Nickname: Sea.S2

Someone who wants to have the truth do it, and you'll get it, i myself will be 99% it was him indeed, apm was too high, replay published everywhere... and the style was NaDa , until someone proves me wrong, or NaDa himself does.
I hope all our problems stay as much as christmas wishes.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
January 02 2006 09:23 GMT
#2
Didn't read all of it but if it's true, I doubt nada really cares because b.net is just b.net for them, and they are the shit when it comes to offline competitions.

So for me it wouldn't really matter, nor would I really care.
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StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 09:25:37
January 02 2006 09:24 GMT
#3
OMFG NADA SUCKS NOW I HATE HIM FOR BEING A FORMER HACKER!!!
HE DEFINITELY DESERVES TO BE LAST IN KESPA RANKINGS TOO AND HE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF HIS OSL TITLES REVOKED RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111eleven
Retired BW Noob
ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
January 02 2006 09:25 GMT
#4
Seems as thorough as we can get. Wild goose chase if you ask me. >_<
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 02 2006 09:25 GMT
#5
it would matter to me, if they hacked without the knowledge of their opponent.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
WGT)DarkXprT
Profile Joined October 2005
Qatar428 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 09:26:10
January 02 2006 09:25 GMT
#6
yeh, neither would i matter twisted i still <3 nada so much, but sometimes just for curious its fun to know things, that Nada someday did hack.. for what purpose? thats another story.
I hope all our problems stay as much as christmas wishes.
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
January 02 2006 09:28 GMT
#7
Sea.S2 is not Nada anymore,that account belongs to his friend. Nada uses a different account on West now due to all the people bothering him.
SpeaKinRiddleS
Profile Joined October 2005
United States148 Posts
January 02 2006 09:28 GMT
#8
why would somebody with consistantly perfect timing use a hack?
Dont let school interfere with your education
Ebenol
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden1983 Posts
January 02 2006 09:29 GMT
#9
Some koreans hacked in WSL as well and they were too good to just be random hackers.
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
January 02 2006 09:31 GMT
#10
NaDa with hack = overkill
TameTheMan
Profile Joined November 2005
United States71 Posts
January 02 2006 09:32 GMT
#11
i hope he didnt
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 09:38:34
January 02 2006 09:36 GMT
#12
Not the first time a hack is detected in Nada's replay. There was a thread about that before too.
Oh, its old PMs, so yah, basicly there was a thread about that already.
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WGT)DarkXprT
Profile Joined October 2005
Qatar428 Posts
January 02 2006 09:39 GMT
#13
On January 02 2006 18:28 Freezer_au wrote:
Sea.S2 is not Nada anymore,that account belongs to his friend. Nada uses a different account on West now due to all the people bothering him.

by the time the replay was released NaDa had an interview about 1 or 2 months before, where he confirmed he was playing with that account. Ask WGTour Dinnin.
I hope all our problems stay as much as christmas wishes.
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
January 02 2006 09:42 GMT
#14
That may be so, but he uses a new account on West now
uiCk
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1925 Posts
January 02 2006 09:46 GMT
#15
who cares anyways
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
Noun
Profile Joined March 2005
United States1026 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 09:52:45
January 02 2006 09:49 GMT
#16
From my knowledge, some progamers use maphack not because they want to "win", but so that they can take a closer/better look at newly released maps while they're playing, and to study their opponents' timing.
My guess is that they tell their opponents before they start their game.

And Twisted put it perfectly.. It doesn't matter to me at all whether he hacked or not, really.

I've been saying this line too much but again..
"Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously"
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
January 02 2006 09:50 GMT
#17
Whats wrong with using hacks when you are a progamer and you just want to chill on some lowly battlenet guys.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
CreationZealot
Profile Joined May 2005
72 Posts
January 02 2006 11:10 GMT
#18
lol ....
he's Pro. .. and obviusly he doesnt need to use hacks to "win" ...
agree with Twisted
sorry but is not an interesting post =(
i am CreationZealot
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
January 02 2006 11:11 GMT
#19
Maybe him and his opponent were playing with vision of eachother for fun? The possibilities are endless. At the end of the day he is one of the greatest Terran players fucking around on bnet with clanmates and random friends.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
January 02 2006 11:14 GMT
#20
any sentence with the words 'NaDa' and 'Hacking' is dumb.
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