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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 14 2011 01:44 Barundar wrote: Will you two stop it please and start pressuring people that are content just letting you fight it out. "It's forgotten" - Vincent, Gattaca | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
If Protact is actually assassin: Then theoretically this switch to a DT *could* make sense, but that's only if he truly believes coag to be red. He takes the risk of calling out the wrong player (as he wouldn't actually know if coag was red) but if coag flipped red we would all believe protact is a DT and therefore medics would keep him safe. Risky, but he's dead anyway if he can't get medic protection. If Protact is actually a green: For the same reason as above, assassins are going to believe he's an assassin now unless he does something impressive to make them think otherwise i.e. he's doomed unless he can successfully appear to not be an assassin/get medic'd If Protact is mafia scum: I think this whole assassin/blue claim would be waay too risky. He's either bussed coag or doomed himself, all to delay our lynch by one day. I would 100% say this is not the case. If Protact is actually blue: I can believe his reasoning, and if he doesn't claim the assassins would kill him tonight. I can't think of any other type of info he could post in the thread that would stop the assassins nailing him hard in the face. If coag flips red, he gets protected by a medic and all is *temporarily* well in the world. He's probably going to draw the roleblocking from now on though. as a result of this, I believe Protact is blue. Therefore, ##VOTE Coagulation | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On April 14 2011 01:24 Barundar wrote: I'm not sure I agree with you chaoser that it's smarter to use a lynch on coag than to let protac die to assassin. But I agree with you that we shouldn't stop scum hunting. Jaminez I want to hear your opinion on this situation and your mafia/town reads. Same for you conversion. Currently at school right now (using my itouch). Reading through what some of the power players said about protact claiming, I think he's telling the truth. Why would he claim DT if he is scum? I don't think, if he were to be lynched after lynching coag, it's a favorable trade. Also, assassins can't use ANY powers night 1, right? I'm suspicious of people who are defending coag. I am suspicious of you and GM. your confidence in your conviction against me and when you defend coag is very suspicious. in your analysis of me being "red," you don't even accout for the fact that I'm a shitty town player. you also ignore the fact that other townies (newer ones) played as wishy washy as i did. GM because he's been defending and arguing against the wrong people, in my opinion. It's a weak suspicion that should grow stronger or weaker as the game progresses. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
If you remember, his first contribution after the game started was to vote for GM in the voting thread. Voting without contribution was enough to warrant suspicion, but considering some of the other votes for GM: On April 10 2011 18:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hello. I just got off my temp ban and had to read through 438967346 pages here. For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned. My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. and On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan. Lynching My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese. However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads. Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names). So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz. Made him doubly suspicious to me without even posting. Now here is his reason for the vote On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote: Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Consider how DrH made lynching kav a huge part of his campaign, yet here there is no mention of DrH at all in this post. The rest of this post is pretty barren in content and high on recycling stuff already said, and obvious stuff e.g. Protact is not town, Protact cares about the assassin game etcetc. Now look at his next few posts in the thread. On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. On April 11 2011 12:24 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm pretty sure my explanation of my vote was not just wanted by MrWiggles and also Gmarshal and the other people playing the game. I simply used MrWiggles questions as a template for my explanation. Whether or not he is scum is irrelevant. On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote: And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. All him defending himself, no analysis like he said he would do in his post justifying voting for GM. No contribution at all. even throws in a little slip as to him and ON being together somehow. He hasn't mentioned ON before that, hasn't interacted with him throughout the whole thread either. Strange that the majority of his posts are him defending himself and he has nothing else to contribute. On April 12 2011 14:04 M0nsterChef wrote: Agh crap, I was seriously considering changing votes, just because of all the stuff that has happened recently, until I realized time was up. Well ok then...thanks. On April 12 2011 14:09 M0nsterChef wrote: dang. indeed. On April 13 2011 11:17 M0nsterChef wrote: His contributions are even less than mine. I think that it would be a waste to lynch him 2nd day because he doesn't seem to be doing anything that is hurting our progress other than making pointless posts. Decent point, I guess at least you acknowledge that you aren't contributing... ##Vote M0nsterChef Why we should not lynch coagulation. Think about it for a second. Why in christs name would a dt claim assassin? If protact was really dt, he could have just run for mayor normally, got voted in, and then said he was dt now he was protected. Im tired of protact claiming black, claiming blue and just serving up a bunch of fucking wifom and derailing the thread. We should concentrate on lynching scum. And the most certain scum lynch seems to be m0nsterChef. Since ON got replaced by LSB and LSB seems like a long time player. I'm guessing he could be valuable to town and we shouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 14 2011 01:37 kevconsim wrote: [/b]Since you never answered my question. Why am i not on here. I did not post one time in between lists. What changed in you mind about me? [b]REDFF I went to sleep 10 minutes after posting that, trust me i still have an FOS on you, i just must have missed your name in my tiredness. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
On April 14 2011 01:58 redFF wrote: We should lynch m0nsterChef. Let me tell you why. If you remember, his first contribution after the game started was to vote for GM in the voting thread. Voting without contribution was enough to warrant suspicion, but considering some of the other votes for GM: and Made him doubly suspicious to me without even posting. Now here is his reason for the vote Consider how DrH made lynching kav a huge part of his campaign, yet here there is no mention of DrH at all in this post. The rest of this post is pretty barren in content and high on recycling stuff already said, and obvious stuff e.g. Protact is not town, Protact cares about the assassin game etcetc. Now look at his next few posts in the thread. All him defending himself, no analysis like he said he would do in his post justifying voting for GM. No contribution at all. even throws in a little slip as to him and ON being together somehow. He hasn't mentioned ON before that, hasn't interacted with him throughout the whole thread either. Strange that the majority of his posts are him defending himself and he has nothing else to contribute. Well ok then...thanks. indeed. Decent point, I guess at least you acknowledge that you aren't contributing... ##Vote M0nsterChef Why we should not lynch coagulation. Think about it for a second. Why in christs name would a dt claim assassin? If protact was really dt, he could have just run for mayor normally, got voted in, and then said he was dt now he was protected. Im tired of protact claiming black, claiming blue and just serving up a bunch of fucking wifom and derailing the thread. We should concentrate on lynching scum. And the most certain scum lynch seems to be m0nsterChef. Since ON got replaced by LSB and LSB seems like a long time player. I'm guessing he could be valuable to town and we shouldn't lynch him today. If the most important thing to do is to lynch scum, I just can't see coag being scummier than the guys I have been suspicious of long before coag. GMarshal, OriginalName, and most importantly M0nsterChef. I just don't really trust protac that much. His analysis seems quite good but so do his manipulation skills. I feel safer sticking to my guns and going with the people I think have the higher chance of being mafia. Right now that is M0nsterChef. Nobody have actually made a convincing argument why coag, if mafia, is actually more dangerous to keep around for another day than any other scum. Furthermore, I thought I did a decent job of showing all of M0nsterChef's notable posts. I think it's strange Red went through and did the same kind of thing that I did and came to the same conclusion. Big post without really saying much. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.johnarroyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2356i_m_back.jpg) I'm sorry, but in all my mafia games, I have yet to see someone out himself as a DT this early on, and give WRONG information to town. How he knows coag is red? I don't know, I don't really care, either (could've called down R1CH!). But just because he may or may not be DT, doesn't matter. I don't see a reason, whatsoever, to out Coagulation, unless he found him as Assassin and is hoping to hit the other assassin during the night. This scenario is also beneficial for town, we'll have one confirmed townie and two assassins dead, meaning they won't be taking out townies (because, let's face it, that's what SKs usually do). So, unless someone tells me what reason would he have to call out Coag, rather than say "no, town, tell me who to hit and I'll do it, let me live and I'll halp!", like SKs usually do, then I'm voting for Coagulation. Really, I just can't see any good reason, and "prolonging his life just a bit more" could've been achieved in many, easier ways. What would he gain, he'd live one more day, and make the game harder for town. Don't think he's lying. ...unless I missed something, cuz, you know, I just came in, please feel free to correct me. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Its vastly superior to ignore both of them and have a vigi shoot coag, if he dosn't get shot we can just lynch him, if he does and flips red then yay! if he does get shot and lives, well then we have a confirmed townie scum have to shoot. | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On April 14 2011 02:32 GMarshal wrote: Cubed, read the discussion between myself and chaoser in the previous page. Its vastly superior to ignore both of them and have a vigi shoot coag, if he dosn't get shot we can just lynch him, if he does and flips red then yay! if he does get shot and lives, well then we have a confirmed townie scum have to shoot. Oh, I did, but you're completely dismissing the fact that he might ACTUALLY be a DT. Sure, I don't really buy it 100% either, but it's a possibility, and if we don't lynch coag then he won't have night protection (because your plan is ... don't protect either), which means that he'll die to an assassin (heck, they do have one free shot), why not take it? Sure, it makes sense that he's neither, but that's a bit off imo. So here's what I think: 1. We lynch Coag. 2. If he flips red, we start protecting the Assassin/DT 3. If he's DT, he'll confirm/fos someone each day. If he's not, he'll have to constantly use R1CH ability to stay alive, in which case.. he'll confirm/fos someone each day. The only other scenario would be that he's either town (in which case what he's doing is awfully, awfully dumb), or scum (in which case we trade coag for a scum, sorry coag, xoxo). Which is ok at this point in the game. Heck, he can even be Vigi-shot during the night if coag doesn't flip red. I don't see anyone who could prove to be a better lynch. Remember, we don't lynch for the flip, we lynch for information. The sooner we have the information, the better. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Pretty sure you are dead Cubed... | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
darmousseh the Tracker is now dead. tnkted the Townie is now dead. CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead. Pandain the Vigilante is now dead. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Second, CubEdIn is indeed back, replacing Latrommi. What is up with all these people dropping I don't even. YOU'RE NOT GETTING RID OF ME THAT EASILY CHAOSER!!! | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
On April 14 2011 02:51 chaoser wrote: CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead. Pretty sure you are dead Cubed... Why would you want him dead if you are town? | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On April 14 2011 02:55 kevconsim wrote: Why would you want him dead if you are town? Oh, the hilarity. He died as another character and has now been put back as a replacement for someone who left. There's just a bit of confusion on chaoser's part, I think he missed BrownBear's message. | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
THanks for ruining it | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 14 2011 02:55 kevconsim wrote: Why would you want him dead if you are town? wut lol. I don't want him dead, the day post said he was dead. I didn't see the second post by BrownBear saying that Cubed was AGAIN replacing someone else (Latrommi). I don't even remember who he was FIRST replacing. OP even says Cubed is dead lol. Can the OP be updated to show that Cubed isn't dead, who is actually dead, and who Cubed finally replaced? | ||
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