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Problem is i literally just vomited my entire mind after re-reading virtually every post in the thread. I'm quite contributed out.
I've laid out everything I have. I'll check in and toss my comments but realistically I've said all I can say.
I am not scum.
Thrawn is not scum.
Rayn is very unlikely to be scum.
Umasi is not scum.
Hopeless is scum by PoE and since him and vanesco were pushing the exact same agenda for 2 days running. When asked about vanesco et called him "null or very slightly scummy" despite having exactly the same reads. Hopeless continued to sheep vanesco.
Syl is scum mostly by PoE since he hasn't managed to even push a scum agenda, just be utterly useless. "Lynch cephiro" -> ceph flips town. "OH jk lynch rayn and thrawn".... yeah.
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On November 09 2013 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Oh hell the fuck no. This guys dead tomorrow Sn0 can have another day.
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EBWOP: as in, not sure that feels like a scumbuddy interaction... :/
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On November 13 2013 07:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hopeless is scum by PoE and since him and vanesco were pushing the exact same agenda for 2 days running. When asked about vanesco et called him "null or very slightly scummy" despite having exactly the same reads. Hopeless continued to sheep vanesco.
I'm gonna do some rereading and see about this because it's pretty fucking damning
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On November 13 2013 08:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
EBWOP: as in, not sure that feels like a scumbuddy interaction... :/
there isn't any scum team combo that doesn't include bussing lol, but yeah I kinda agree.... meh
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On November 13 2013 08:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 09 2013 10:03 Sylencia wrote:
You guys are idiots Oh hell the fuck no. This guys dead tomorrow Sn0 can have another day. Posts like this bother me
On November 13 2013 08:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
EBWOP: as in, not sure that feels like a scumbuddy interaction... :/
Yeah Sn0_Man is town. I don't see him posting shit like this as mafia considering what his scum-objectives would be. Why would he be throwing doubt onto what would probably be the only mislynches he has left? His post at the top of this page is really goddamn genuine, same for everything he posted on the previous page.
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I'm gonna retouch on something I posted a long time ago. I wrote this at a time when I thought hopeless/sylencia were scum. The context behind this post is that sylencia spent most of D1 talking about things that weren't ET, and he ends up voting for ET giving little reasoning compared to the walls of texts he wrote developing non committal reads on other players. D1 ends with syl being the only person voting for ET. To me that would suggest that he reaaaaaly was confident in his ET vote lol. Then after D1, people (like me) bring up ET as a lynch candidate. Now.... so far... Syl is confident enough about ET to be the only person who votes for him in D1... so once D2 rolls around, it makes sense that Syl would want to continue voting, or at the very least, talking about ET, right? Here is what he actually had to say...
On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.
In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others.
My question to syl at the end of that was:
"sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless?"
his response:
On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:05 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you have anything to say about Onegu? look at syl's reply On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.
In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. -could lynch hopeless -people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2 the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn? sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless? There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead.
He lost all desire to talk about or push the hopeless lynch after other people start doing it after D1. His defense was that hopeless isn't a probable D2 target despite a few people thinking he is, but sylencia didn't have any problem voting for ET during D1 when ET was even *less* of a probable target. syl + hope scumteam?
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I already miss koshi <3
anyone here? other than rayn or sn0man?
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~kind of here.~
I still think Sylencia is town, but I also think you and rayn are town, so it leaves hopeless/sn0 by poe.
That said, sn0 has been really townie recently, and the entire vanesco bussing him thing really sticks out...so maybe I'm just flat wrong on sylencia :|
Definitely okay with lynching hopeless, though, and then between sylencia&sn0
##vote: hopeless1der
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@Sn0
On November 13 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. Sounds like ur back to making shit up
Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" (previous installments include WoS makes up shit Parts 1 and 2)
On November 13 2013 07:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
We have 48 hours. I'm content with "no longer 3 instavotes on me". Thats how you lose mafia in a hurry.
Dear hopeless: Who is scum? If it includes me, who else? will you at least consider voting the other person instead of me? If not, why not?
Are you sure you have read the thread? I've been saying you and Syl for a long time, basically from the moment I replaced (and caught up). I know I backed off syl for a bit but that was before a)koshi flipped and b) rayn gave Umasi a greencheck
I will not consider voting the "other person" unless thrawn and rayn decide to go after syl instead of you(/me) today.
@Thrawn
On November 13 2013 07:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
too add onto that point hopeless, all day long you've been acting like "lol game solved." well it's not. don't give me bullshit about you knowing your role pm therefore sylencia+sn0 are scum, you need to start doing what sn0man has been doing
what, having no reads and running around chasing my own tail? Aside from a slight diversion for thinking syl was too dumb to be scum, I've been consistent and assertive in stating who I think is scummy and who I want lynched. Furthermore, the consensus comes down to scum being Sn0 + (Me/Sylencia). So, while I can appreciate that you are not able to verify my role PM, my attitude of "lol game solved" is absolutely appropriate given the knowledge that I would be expected to have.(or pretend to if I were scum). I will concede that I have not been proactive about getting my scumreads lynched so I'll have to get to work on that.
Sn0_Man
To start with, do you recall Sn0's "Onegu matryrs as scum" debacle? I've spoilered the relevant quotes.
+ Show Spoiler +The bolded red in this quote On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates The next whole quote belongs in an IHOP On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays.
I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town.
I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now.
Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right. Note the emphasis on Onegu martyrs AS SCUM all the time On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Now see his response when I tell him to PROVE its a SCUM-ONLY trait for Onegu + Show Spoiler +On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town. On November 09 2013 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well you aren't reading.
I say he does it as both alignments.
I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise. But he JUST finished saying Onegu is scum because he martyr's as scum. Now he's saying Onegu martyrs as town as well. Then why in the hell is Onegu a scum-read? btw, from Onegu's filter with regard to this issue: On November 09 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town. This is the first time I have martyred as town, and I dont martyr all the time as scum I think I have only done it twice as scum and I never self voted. ...from Onegu's own mouth. He has never martyred as town before this game. Now he could very well be mistaken, but I'd like to believe Sn0 is full of it rather than believe that Onegu misunderstands what martyring is.
So there's that issue fleshed out more thoroughly. I touched on this in my earlier case on Sn0 which is spoilered here if you'd like to re-read it:
+ Show Spoiler +##Vote: Sn0_ManThe silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Nobody's around or something this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates All point to him being scum to me. The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
1 more or something
lol
this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
wat a shocker team
ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM? There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler +On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote:I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote:Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK  For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target.
I'd like to add to this, why is he upset that I answered his question? Was I not supposed to see it? Like...what exactly was the "town" response he was looking for there? Ignoring him completely? His post in response to me is just noise and reaches no conclusions, as usual.
Next, something Thrawn pointed out in blue, and obviously the relevant scum association in red:
On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.
##Vote: Vanesco
I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc.
You know...I could write something up, but I'd much rather you, the reader, go into Sn0's filter, hit All and then Ctrl+F for 'Vanesco' and 'syl'. Read each quote up to the 7th time each name crops up (So ctrl+F 'vanesco', read quote, hit next, read quote etc. until instance #7 then repeat for syl). Let me know if you found the statement in red from the above quote convincing. In fact, here is his filter, already set to 'All' mode.
Okay, so you did that right? Checked his filter out? Good, now go ahead and open the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +There was not a whole lot of reasoning for Vanesco and I'll be damned if I saw anything concrete about syl, but you can be sure of one thing: Sn0 said On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.
##Vote: Vanesco
I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc. A better lynch to be more precise. i.e. calling him scum. So how come he later on says On November 13 2013 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game). Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not... How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something. Sn0 LITERALLY said he thinks syl is a better lynch than Vanesco. In what universe does that not equate to a scum read?
How many times has Sn0 made a waffle and on how many players? It'd be one thing if he was pursuing leads on a scum read, but again, Thrawn you already hit this point:+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
snoman like every single post you've made today has been something like
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null tell or nvm
Its not just today though...its everything he's done all game.
The only thing he was consistent on was OO being scum. Oh, and that OO died to a Silver Bullet. Because scum-reads are most likely to be elected as blues and then shot by the witchhunter in Sn0_Man's head. wat.
Obviously, I'm a little confirmation biased, so I've spoilered the following statements from Sn0's filter that left me wondering what the hell is he doing?
+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think. wat?
+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win.
READ
VANESCO
PLEASE
PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game. wat
+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there.
Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination.
Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1[*], doing my best to discuss onegu day 2[**], actually voting for scum d3[***], etc...
You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread. * i.e. Nothing. p.s. I replaced in Day2 ** Remember how he martyrs, all the fucking time? u gaiz? he so martyr *** + Show Spoiler +On November 12 2013 00:32 Hapahauli wrote:Vote-Count: Day 3 Vanseco (6): Thrawn2112, Umasi, Koshi, Sn0_Man, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der Sn0_Man (1): Vanesco, Thrawn2112, raynpelikoneetCephiro (1): Sylencia Not Voting (1): Cephiro
Currently Vanesco is set to be lynched! 5 votes are needed to lynch.
The deadline is in @ Monday, Nov 11 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
Make sure to PM your ONE witchcraft vote to both Blazinghand and Ange777 by the deadline. I guess I'm confirmed town too. Yay me!
+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear. On November 09 2013 07:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Onegu the Acolyte has been elminated!
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when you get a chance you should explain those reads, especially the sylencia one
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lol that was meant for umasi
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hmm.
My first impression of h's recent bigass post is that everything in it reads like an advertisement, like he's trying to sell me something. I understand the need for persuasive writing but H lays it on a little to thick for my tastes. Secondly I really hate how many times hopeless has quoted me or name dropped me throughout this game to prove his points. When a townie buddies up to me I am usually very good about recognizing their townieness and it's a big part of how I play late game (my read on koshi for example) but when hopeless does it ..... eh. And finally, a lot of those points just aren't convincing! The stuff in the end feels like random jabs hopeless is throwing at Sn0 as part of his scummy marketing campaign.
summary: a very pretty post, but I don't like it. it feels very fake, like scum desperately trying to look good during mylo
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Sylencias been a good feel read for me at most stages through the game. He was obviously wrong regarding Cephiro, but hell, I followed his reasoning there.
That said, he's been pretty ineffectual for a while, so I'm looking forward to
On November 13 2013 00:20 Sylencia wrote:
LOL wow I was wrong, I feel dumb now ^-^ Sorry thrawn :D I'll catch up during the day if I'm alive, which I don't doubt I will be since I'm so scummy now D:
Just to see how he's approaching things.
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On November 13 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:Sylencias been a good feel read for me at most stages through the game. He was obviously wrong regarding Cephiro, but hell, I followed his reasoning there. That said, he's been pretty ineffectual for a while, so I'm looking forward to Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 00:20 Sylencia wrote:
LOL wow I was wrong, I feel dumb now ^-^ Sorry thrawn :D I'll catch up during the day if I'm alive, which I don't doubt I will be since I'm so scummy now D: Just to see how he's approaching things.
why is hopeless your #1 read and who would you lynch out of sn0/sylencia?
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