• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:41
CEST 07:41
KST 14:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202519Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder2EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced33BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Serral wins EWC 2025 Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Help: rep cant save Shield Battery Server New Patch Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [G] Progamer Settings StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 507 users

Witchcraft Mini Mafia II - Page 92

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 90 91 92 93 94 102 Next
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 03:43 GMT
#1821
Of course I'm trying to sell you somthing thrawn. I actually believe hes scum, which is more than Sn0 can say about me. He's got to me by PoE because HE CANT PUSH ANYONE ELSE. I've been saying it was him and syl for days now. I havent been very loud, but I've been saying it.

There's a reason why I pointed out the fact that I'm confirmation biased and that I'm just left with a wtf feeling when reading them. They are random jabs. The bulk of the case has to do with the fact that Sn0 waffles on just about everything this game and has done nothing to show he's town. Somehow continuing to waffle when the game is on the line gets him town cred. smh bro...
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 03:46 GMT
#1822
OK hopeless, lets play chicken

##unvote
##vote: sylencia


alright?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 03:48 GMT
#1823
I also want to hear your thoughts on a rayn/umasi scumteam.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 03:49 GMT
#1824
umm...k?
##unvote: Sn0_Man
##vote: sylencia
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
November 13 2013 03:51 GMT
#1825
I'd lynch Sylencia, logic prevails over my agreement with Sylencia throughout the game, and logic is saying that, because sn0 went so full tryhard, flippant, and 'honest'? Him being scum would be surprising.
It wouldn't be surprising if Sylencia were scum, I'd just have been wrong.
Hopeless is scummier than them because he didn't have the entire 'followed his thought process all game' thing going for him like sylencia does, and he didn't go full active mode like sn0 did.
I'm slowly talking myself into a hopeless/sylencia are scum situation, by virtue of sn0 being very townie recently, and vanesco having him as scummy for so long.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 03:55 GMT
#1826
I don't see the need for rayn to have claimed anything. There are no more blues. If he's fakeclaiming, he risks having the "real" blue cc him tomorrow. At this point that'd have to be you since Koshi died. I say tomorrow because a silver bullet might lay in wait. This scenario is both unlikely and requires town to no-lynch for it to be relevant (Since a mislynch endgames the town today). As things stood at the start of the night phase, today was likely to end up exactly as it turned out anyways, except with Umasi firmly off the table.

The risk/reward is non-existent for Rayn in this situation in my opinion. Unless hes scum doing it for shits and giggles, they're both town imo.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 04:00 GMT
#1827
Thrawn, compare the filter exercise I had in my case on Sn0 (vanesco vs syl) with your analysis of Sylencia re: EchelonTee and his unwillingness to pursue a supposed scumread from the previous. Do you draw any parallels?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 04:04 GMT
#1828
On November 13 2013 13:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
Thrawn, compare the filter exercise I had in my case on Sn0 (vanesco vs syl) with your analysis of Sylencia re: EchelonTee and his unwillingness to pursue a supposed scumread from the previous. Do you draw any parallels?


I'm tired and I'm about 5 min from going to bed. You can do it and I'll read it later.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 04:09 GMT
#1829
Well...yes I consider them similar situations where you renege on a scumread for no good reason and with no explanation. Assume Syl flips scum. Who looks worse?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 04:11 GMT
#1830
On November 13 2013 12:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I don't see the need for rayn to have claimed anything. There are no more blues. If he's fakeclaiming, he risks having the "real" blue cc him tomorrow. At this point that'd have to be you since Koshi died. I say tomorrow because a silver bullet might lay in wait. This scenario is both unlikely and requires town to no-lynch for it to be relevant (Since a mislynch endgames the town today). As things stood at the start of the night phase, today was likely to end up exactly as it turned out anyways, except with Umasi firmly off the table.

The risk/reward is non-existent for Rayn in this situation in my opinion. Unless hes scum doing it for shits and giggles, they're both town imo.


consider the fact that both rayn and umasi were both elected D1 and D2. They wouldn't have needed to "fake claim" having powers since they won the election. There'd be no risk of anyone counterclaiming.

The reason I bring this up is because I don't like how you've been the only one not to doubt rayn's claim. What if they are both scum? What if only rayn is scum, and he's claiming something that's relatively safe to hide the fact that he's not a real blue? These points are things that were mentioned by koshi, sn0, and myself. During the time when rayn claimed everyone except you was at least a *little* suspicious of rayn or both rayn and umasi. Not being suspicious about every possibility during mylo does not make you look good. I'm leaving Umasi out of this discussion because he wasn't here for the discussion.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 04:19 GMT
#1831
I didn't question rayn because I believed him. His claim supported my existing reads and gave me greater confidence that I was on the right track (all along) in having Sn0 and sylencia as my scumreads.

Like do you want me to go pants on head and call you scum or something? I'm keeping a level head and maintaining my scumreads and you tell me I'm less town for doing so. Yes, I briefly considered the possibility of rayn fakeclaiming, but my risk/reward assessment is what I concluded. You came to the same conclusion. I dont understand your problem. Should I have stuck my neck out to explain why rayn was STILL most likely town? You seem to forget I'd pretty much stopped playing because I considered the game solved.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 04:24 GMT
#1832
On November 13 2013 13:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm keeping a level head and maintaining my scumreads and you tell me I'm less town for doing so.


Yes. 100% correct. I couldn't have put it better myself. This is mylo baby, it's time for everyone to go bat shit crazy and examine all possibilities.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 04:30 GMT
#1833
No. Sn0_Man and Sylencia are scum. End of discussion. You dont like it, lynch me and lose the game. I'll switch my vote to whoever has the most votes closer to deadline. Aside from that, I'm not likely to give a care about today's lynch. I've said what I needed to say, you have all the information that I have. No wait, I voted Koshi for blue yesterday. There thats everything.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 04:32 GMT
#1834
ok that's cool

##Vote: Hopeless1der
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 04:43 GMT
#1835
Not sure if you're bluffing tbh.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 05:00 GMT
#1836
sorry, i'm not. you and sn0_man can duke it out or something

goodnight
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 05:01 GMT
#1837
On November 13 2013 13:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
Not sure if you're bluffing tbh.


oh one last question before I /afk, why do you think this?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2013 05:01 GMT
#1838
you didnt unvote
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 13 2013 05:04 GMT
#1839
oh lol

##un-fake-vote: hopeless1der
##unvote: sylencia
##vote: hopeless1der
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 06:51:43
November 13 2013 06:25 GMT
#1840
Vote-Count: Day 4


Sn0_Man (0): Raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Thrawn2112
Hopeless1der (4): Sn0_Man, Thrawn2112, Raynpelikoneet, Umasi
Sylencia (1): Thrawn2112, Hopeless1der

Not Voting (1): Sylencia



Currently Hopeless1der is set to be lynched! 4 votes are needed to lynch.

The deadline is in @ Thursday, Nov 14 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Prev 1 90 91 92 93 94 102 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#42
davetesta88
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft574
Nina 246
ProTech65
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4234
PianO 381
Snow 204
Leta 169
Bale 48
Noble 46
Aegong 9
Icarus 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm106
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K847
Coldzera 447
Other Games
summit1g11748
shahzam747
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1313
BasetradeTV38
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 36
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 43
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 8
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush2047
• Stunt541
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 50m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
10h 20m
The PondCast
1d 4h
Online Event
1d 10h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
Online Event
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs TBD
[ Show More ]
OSC
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
Yuqilin POB S2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.