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@Meapak_Ziphh
What happened in between this post and this post that made you think that hiro protagonist was any more mafia, so much more that he suddenly deserved your vote? Why didn't you vote him in the first of those posts?
@Mr. Wiggles
On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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So, my post got me some information that I consider valuable and more information on certain players than the rest of the thread did before that (besides maybe Hiro). Too bad no one was really dumb and actually responded to my question though, because most townies here are smart enough to know not to and it would have been an easy scum-tell.
This really rubs me the wrong way. "Too bad no one was really dumb", are you trying to catch dumb people? "Most townies here are smart enough to know not to [answer your question]" why are you trying to catch dumb townies with your question and not scum? I don't understand this at all, please explain. Why are you trying to pose as "catching" scum with gimmicky shit like this, when you acknowledge yourself that it will most likely just "catch" dumb townies?
@sandroba, Palmar
lol™
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@prphlz: I had to make the picture lol.
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On November 16 2011 12:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
OK, here are my reads so far:
1.Palmar - null read, nothing to go on really. curious how he will play the last half of day 1.
2.Mr Wiggles- null read. His first post was obviously trying to draw out reactions. both scum and town would can do that so it sheds no alignment. His second post has his reads on everyone one that responded to him. He does not give his opinion on the current lynch target.
3.Wherebugsgo- Ill get to him last...
4.Meapak_Ziphh- leaning Red. Its not anything that he said, more its his overall style in the game so far. He jumps on easy targets AKA both my "generic post" and Wiggle's first post. He undercuts my statement of trying to start things on the right foot by saying its worthless, something that is clearly a mafia agenda IMO. Will be watching.
5.Erandorr- leaning town. Wants to lead town. Im all for it.
6.prplhz- null read. asks me alot of questions, and has done very little else. Could be scum wanting to make me more skittish (which he is btw) last post makes me feel more townie about him.
7.hiro protagonist- townie. says scummy things, but has the right intentions ^_^
8.jaybrundage- Null His last post is considerably better than those before it. His post are hard to read. Needs to be more clear. Needs to step up.
9.Sandroba- nothing.
And now for my vote. and I will place it on WBG. here is why:
-Bugs still has the same arrogant aggressive Behavior as every other game hes played. He is wrong most of the time as town, and It has cost the town the game on more than one occasion.
-I dont think we should allow someone that can be so obtuse and grating a free pass.
-I simply am gonna ignore WBGs for the rest of the game, but that will be easier once he is no longer in it.
##Vote: Wherebugsgo
What's interesting is that none of the reasons included "I think he's scum."
rofl.
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also more than one occasion? Are you on crack? The only loss that was ever my fault was XLV. I've completed 4 games as town, that's it. XLIV, resurrection, XLV, and PYP:I. In MLP and the previous mini I was scum. Town absolutely destroyed resurrection and PYP (and I was a part of it) and town got destroyed in XLIV and XLV. I take the blame for XLV but it's not like my aggressive behavior caused losses in other games.
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@wherebugsgo
Do you really really think that hiro protagonist is scum?
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let me put it this way:
as long as the current activity level persists, there is no better option. Palmar and sandro both have done next to nothing in the past what...24 hours? Jaybrundage is new, and everyone else doesn't have enough posts. I'd like to hear from wiggles, though. Other than you, meapak, Erandorr, hiro, no one is doing anything. Hiro hasn't said one thing yet that makes sense or furthers the town's agenda and the other three of you look town right now.
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The alternative, if this keeps up, is to no-lynch.
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@Palmar
Would you rather lynch wherebugsgo that no-lynch?
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I'll give my thoughts on day 1 soon-ish. I'm still up for completely random lynching btw.
At the moment I'm not quite sure I want to lynch WBG, he seems reasonable. I also don't agree with the lynch on Hiro, but that's pending me actually reading everything in the thread.
I'd rather no-lynch than lynch a townie, and I will press the issue. I made that promise to myself sometime during XLIV and I have followed through ever since, I will NOT vote on people I think are town, no matter the circumstances.
So yeah, don't worry about it I will give you what you need before the day is over.
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I don't like the hiro lynch. I've read his posts and while his logic path is not stellar, his posts seem genuine and doesn't seem like he is trying to hide. I see him arguing controversial issues and not thinking carefully before he posts. Not mafia imo.
People that don't seem genuine to me as of now are Mr.Wiggles (his "atempt" at catching scum was the most optimistic plan ever known to man) and jaydude (seemed intusiastic about mafia, but has posted very little, only one liners without any thought behind and after people's reaction to his posts has gone missing -> good match for inexperienced scum, but a poor choice for a lynch today since I know nothing about his play).
I'm not quite sold on any lynch in particular yet, but I'm against lynching hiro.
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Irrelevant to the game:
+ Show Spoiler +@WBG: I never said your town play was terrible, I said it was middle of the road. You haven't caught up with the pro town players, but you're still decent. I just used it to contrast it with the fact that you have very strong scum play.
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palmar ninja -_-
fucking butchered enthusiastic so much I felt I needed to correct it
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Wanna have a conversation Sandroba?
I'll start. First up, I think it's very unlikely the new kid (jaybrundage) is scum. His random vote on Wherebugsgo seemed genuinely clueless enough and he's actually playing as if he has nothing to hide and no fear. I would very much oppose a lynch on that guy today. So, what do you think about him? Do you agree with my conclusion that he would be a terrible lynch today?
You can then select the next person we talk about.
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I don't agree. He does seem clueless, but he could be clueless mafia following the flow just as easily. I think a new townie would ask questions and try to get a better explanation on why to lynch wbg before putting in his vote. Kinda hard to say though, new players are kinda my weak spot =/. I wouldn't lynch him today because I'm nowhere near certain on him.
Tell me what you think about Wiggles.
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Wiggles is one of the people that look pretty scummy to me. His idea for creating discussion bears some resemblance (not materially, just the mindset it seems to be created in) to his EA plan in Cosmic Horror mafia. His posts are carefully constructed and notice that when he gives us his reads he doesn't actually put anyone up against the wall. It's all "we need to keep this in mind" or "x needs to be watched".
Of particular interest is his piece on Wherebugsgo:
Wherebugsgo:
This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player.
This is one of the weakest accusations I have ever seen, it's almost as if he's really not trying to step on any toes, while spreading around a ton of mistrust by detracting players. He has also conveniently completely skipped me and you, which is of particular interest because we've played so many games with him that I would think he'd look at our performance early. I guess he can hide behind our lack of content.
But yeah, I would be fine with lynching Wiggles today.
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So what do you think about wiggles Sandroba, and give me your thoughts on prplhz and Erandorr
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I agree with what you said about wiggles and there is always the statistical benefit of lynching wiggles, even when there is no evidence on him =P
But seriously, his posts screams to me "look at me guyz, I'm being helpful and trying to find scum!". He seems to be trying to blend in too hard. I'd rather see some more from him before pushing for his lynch though, hopefully he will comply.
prplhz seems town to me this game, so maybe that means he is mafia? (j/k prpl =P)
errandor is interesting. His play this game is way different than any game I've played with him before, and one thing that's clear for sure is that he is trying his best to win this one. I'm leaning town, mainly because he is arguing against the hiro lynch which seems reasonable to me at this point.
Onto my weak scum suspect, Meapak: what do you think about this guy?
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I don't think I agree with you on Meapak, but maybe I'm missing something. There really are two options on how to interpret Meapak's play this game.
First off, we have to realize he's being aggressive and is spearheading a lynch. This is almost always a townie trait, since scum don't like being held accountable for mislynching, and I doubt he'd have the balls to bus this hard on day 1. We also know that when Meapak is scum he has a tendency to play very carefully, while this looks much more like his town play. He hands out insults and has no issues with taking a stance.
Now is it possible this might be Meapak's new and improved scum play? Certainly. But that doesn't change the fact that my rule of thumb is to go with the most obvious answer in every case, and in this case the obvious solution is Meapak is town.
prplhz is being very aggressive, but I know he's capable of that as scum. His scum play is surprisingly solid in general. But overall I think this is prplhz just being town and trying to be useful. He does seem to be genuinely frustrated at how this game started out, instead of the usually easy to find "feign frustration" thing mafia like to do.
Errandor is probably the guy aside from Wiggles I'd be happy lynching. It's so weird to see his play until that huge post. It's filled with excuses and non-content. He made a post here where he lists up every single player in the game without really saying anything. It really does look like something that's thrown together to try and fit in.
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Lol, I thought I posted this before lunch, sorry about the delay
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Wiggles was not EA in Chosmic Horror if I remember correctly.
Since you guys are having fun talking about everyone in this game , what do you think àbout each other at this point?
I would also like to point out that Hiro still is scummy. Sandro you said that Hiros posts are genuine but what do you think about his earlier posts. I specificly asked Hiro a question and his answer was
I know you where trolling
In the same post he give us the usual game mechanics crap and repeats twice that he wants to "start the game on the right foot" This seemed wrong combined with the fact that when I asked him to answer my question, he still did not do it.
If you want to start the game off right, I think most people would prefer actual discussion instead of posting about game mechanics. That says "Look I am trying" more than actually doing something.
It still is possible that he actually thought that it was the best he could do and he is scummy as hell every game he is town, so it is not enough to warrant a lynch, but I still don't think you can say that he is doing fine at the moment.
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On November 16 2011 21:08 Erandorr wrote:Wiggles was not EA in Chosmic Horror if I remember correctly. Since you guys are having fun talking about everyone in this game , what do you think àbout each other at this point? I would also like to point out that Hiro still is scummy. Sandro you said that Hiros posts are genuine but what do you think about his earlier posts. I specificly asked Hiro a question and his answer was In the same post he give us the usual game mechanics crap and repeats twice that he wants to "start the game on the right foot" This seemed wrong combined with the fact that when I asked him to answer my question, he still did not do it. If you want to start the game off right, I think most people would prefer actual discussion instead of posting about game mechanics. That says "Look I am trying" more than actually doing something. It still is possible that he actually thought that it was the best he could do and he is scummy as hell every game he is town, so it is not enough to warrant a lynch, but I still don't think you can say that he is doing fine at the moment.
Of course he wasn't, he was scum. I never agreed with GM's theory that Wiggles was the EA (I even specifically pointed out that it was weird GM thought he could figure that out), but I did agree Wiggles was scum in that game.
I don't want to lynch Hiro, I'd rather lynch you or Wiggles at this point. As for my thoughts about sandroba, this discussion is an excellent tool to find out if he's scum or not. Just the fact that he's actively part-taking in it looks pretty townie to me.
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