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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On February 04 2013 11:50 Aperture Science wrote: Yes. GreY and I both think he's scum. I don't really find Rock scummy, but GreY thinks its Stutters or Rock Any response to how your scummiest points against me were all out of contex ? | ||
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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
On February 04 2013 12:03 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: so between you, you're calling stutters mafia (or rock) but you haven't bothered to get an opinion on someone else who it's quite possible is mafia yet? what the fuck? isn't that kind of important? I'm deciding whether to analyze him or rock next. I'll do him if you are convinced Stutters is town, but otherwise I'm going to do rock since GreY thinks he's scum. Can you rank these three people for me in order of scumminess?
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Stutters695
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BinOnFire
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On February 04 2013 12:51 Stutters695 wrote: Not sure if you're just looking for his opinion or in general but I'd put Nova ahead of Rock personally. where would you put you? What about ApSci? I don't want to hear confined opinions form you but broad ones. A whole list of scummiest to towniest is allowed too. gg wp mg/oats we're killing xfire today. Gon and I are discussing piling all our damage into our second highest scum read. Should we consolidate and flip one person or go wild and let everyone attack who they please? I'd like everyone to address how and why they would answer this question. marv, where did your buddy go? I haven't seen snb in a while, is he pulling a you a la MTG 1? p | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Why do you have to "analyze" someone for you to like have any opinion whatsoever on them? You make it sound like an arduous task, one that will take you 3-5 hours to do, and maybe take out other previous games from that player, analyze every single post of his for any little detail you can find. You also make it sound that hard by saying stuff like "Uff, okay, I will analyze someone, but only ONE! I could analyze Rock or Nova, but NOT BOTH. Pheww I'm getting tired just by thinking about it, so who do you want me to analyze? Also I'll spend like 24 hours before coming up with the analysis. To be honest, I don't know why I'm not getting paid for doing this" [slight dramatization] Like....no dude....no. You made only 2 "analysis" this whole game with Grey and it's freaking T3, and you haven't said anything at all about anybody else (only Rock basically). Stop this dude, either gain some momentum with those "analysis" of yours, or just filter dudes, skim their posts, see what's scummy or not, and post opinions fast. Unless you are scum of course. "Fast" being a relative term, since anything other than 1 opinion per turn (what you've been doing basically) would be "fast" for me. Damn you are lazy as fuck. You don't even need to make uber analysis of shit. You can be in the thread, commenting on stuff as it goes on, commenting on shit you find suspicious as it's posted, and all that shit townies do. If you don't have time to make an "analysis" that is. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
You guys better state what you want to do with all the leftover KP: Flip 1 guy, flip 2 guys, or let everybody attack whoever they think is scum If you choose "Flip 1 guy", tell us who you want that guy to be, or thoughts about it If you choose "Flip 2 guys", tell us the 2 guys you want dead, why, and which one is likelier to flip scum than the other in your mind, etc. If you choose "Let everybody attack", then tell us why, and why it is better than the previous 2 options. I want to flip 2 guys. I think it has higher chances of winning the game now. If we suck and derp and kill 2 townies, then it would indeed "accelerate" the game, but at least the scum beast would have less impact on it. Basically, this being a double-lynch. A double-lynch misslynch, followed by scum KP, is better than a misslynch followed by scum KP followed by misslynch followed by scum KP. Hint hint: There is 1 less scum KP in there. Prome wants to flip a guy as well, dunno if he wants 2 or 1, I'll discuss it with him. If we flip 2 guys I want Aperture to be one of them. I have a slight feeling he may flip town, thus wanting to flip a 2nd guy. We are having doubts about this 2nd guy, but me and Prome are discussing about it I hope you guys discuss it as well Brought to you by the Promethelax & gonzaw Administration of Scum Hunting Affairs, LTD. | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Just in case you reminiscence of Liar Game... ...although I wouldn't mind doing that. If we have a chance of killing everybody except me I'm in :D If we somehow uber derp, we could do something similar like this later (if me+Prome are alive hopefully). Just have everybody except us+maybe Clock kill each other----> Town win (this assumes Clock is town, but if he isn't I already "caught" him with my conspiracy theory so I won't feel disappointed if we lose). /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
However I think it has a higher chance of benefiting us, and could win us the game today. My only fear is that discussion about it can shit up the thread, and maybe everybody disagreeing with it and getting angry and all that shit instead of hunting for the remaining scum. If you are interested shoot, I'll try discussing it with Prome frist /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Today, we should kill 2 players. One of them will be Aperture, no questions asked. Why? Because:
I'll quote some wise words from my fellow hydra head: Promethelax We kill Aperture today. If we don't we'll need to kill him tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the next. he needs to die because we all have a scum read on him. Even if he is town we'll have no real discussion while he is around. We then kill a 2nd player of our choosing. Why? Because:
Thus, I propose we do this: Assume Aperture will flip town, and try to find the remaining "actual scum" What does this accomplish? Well, first, what happens if Aperture is scum?: *We kill him 100%, so no matter what we do, no matter how much we derp and accuse each other, no matter how much shit we fling and no matter who we kill or what conclusions we arrive at, we win. Simple as that So in this case nothing would matter right? But what if Aperture is town? *Then at least today we'll have the insight of town Aperture with us before he passes away. He can push us in the right direction. If we assume he is town, then we assume what he says comes from the heart and all that shit, so we can listen to him. We also would have 1 day of advantage if we just killed Aperture alone today. *We won't completely waste this day doing nothing at all, as if people assume Aperture will flip scum, which may actually not (at least not with the confidence as a Xfire flip, etc). I know, this seems like a weird psychology experiment or something, but I want town to win this as soon as possible. Prolonging the game only benefits scum, since they have a super-powerful beast that constantly drains town HP as the time goes on and gets stronger and stronger So, do you agree with this proposal? Why? Why not? Don't forget to try hunting for the 2nd scum while discussing this proposal Extra discussion: The distribution of KP should matter depending on the 2nd guy we decide to kill. I will assume nobody will choose me+Prome as this 2nd guy to kill, thus our 11 KP can be used entirely to kill this 2nd guy. However the other distribution of KP may change. A guy won't attack himself (unless he's VERY sure Aperture is scum and he's town), so we may be a little short on KP in this case. One idea was to get another town read we won't kill, and let him use his KP. Clock could be a choice, since he has 11 KP to use and like...is very unlikely to be scum. This runs the risk that Clock could be scum theoretically and we won't be discussing him. It will also be a massive derp if it happens, but a scum Clock could be found out in the next day in a 4v1 scenario. There's also the problem of determining who attacks Aperture and who doesn't, etc. If we agree on the plan we can all discuss this, we have like 40 or so hours to do so. /G | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
Havent read much yet, just wanted to point out that this makes sense to me. On February 04 2013 06:59 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Then after filtering me, decides I'm less scummy, and also trusts my word that Stutters does the whole promise-and-fail to contribute thing as town. So it seems I've moved down the scumometer and so has Stutters based on my word You and stutters cant both be scum, coz xfire already is. So there is no reason not to trust your word on Stutters. I dont have the time to read all of stutters old games to figure out his meta /zebezt | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On February 04 2013 15:47 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It won't work if we don't have the necessary KP, so people should get claiming it (I'm missing Rock, Suck, Stutters and Aperture) I said it. It depends if 2kp or 3kp makes a difference. If not, and there is a decent chance of living to turn five my deck develops much better with a door of Destiny drop today (2kp, 4next turn, lethal with infect turn after, then between 8-15 depending on when I get another bear drop). However unless I will make it two turns from this one, the better play is to skip door of destinies and play the bear and Gaeas Anthem (3kp this turn, 6 next at the sacrifice of 1kp/bear permanently). Currently I'm leaning towards the former because we still have a lot of power on the board but that'll drop as the Mafia creature gets more powerful and starts one shotting people we lose power quick. | ||
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Stutters695
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On February 04 2013 15:02 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: So yeah, I'm going to sleep soon You guys better state what you want to do with all the leftover KP: Flip 1 guy, flip 2 guys, or let everybody attack whoever they think is scum If you choose "Flip 1 guy", tell us who you want that guy to be, or thoughts about it If you choose "Flip 2 guys", tell us the 2 guys you want dead, why, and which one is likelier to flip scum than the other in your mind, etc. If you choose "Let everybody attack", then tell us why, and why it is better than the previous 2 options. I want to flip 2 guys. I think it has higher chances of winning the game now. If we suck and derp and kill 2 townies, then it would indeed "accelerate" the game, but at least the scum beast would have less impact on it. Basically, this being a double-lynch. A double-lynch misslynch, followed by scum KP, is better than a misslynch followed by scum KP followed by misslynch followed by scum KP. Hint hint: There is 1 less scum KP in there. Prome wants to flip a guy as well, dunno if he wants 2 or 1, I'll discuss it with him. If we flip 2 guys I want Aperture to be one of them. I have a slight feeling he may flip town, thus wanting to flip a 2nd guy. We are having doubts about this 2nd guy, but me and Prome are discussing about it I hope you guys discuss it as well Brought to you by the Promethelax & gonzaw Administration of Scum Hunting Affairs, LTD. I'm going to bed but I'm leaning double lynch. My two would be aperture and nova for reasons previously stated. The only reason I'm not 100% for it yet is the hurting of our own KP. Attacking whoever is out of the question because it would probably put multiple people in 1hit of the scum monster. I don't think town will actually lose that much though from Nova and Aperture currently though so I think a double its better than single. I just need to go over the math to make sure. | ||
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RockHydra
Pitcairn222 Posts
On February 04 2013 16:07 zebezt wrote: Good morning all Havent read much yet, just wanted to point out that this makes sense to me. You and stutters cant both be scum, coz xfire already is. So there is no reason not to trust your word on Stutters. I dont have the time to read all of stutters old games to figure out his meta /zebezt another fail oh and for all of the people who think we are scum: + Show Spoiler + I think we can do 7 damage assuming no blocks.. unless maybe we do some trick with the shuriken. Havent really looked into how to use that efficiently, but my other head probably has thoughts on that. I'm gonna be busy as fuck today, so I won't be able to analyze much until tonight. Going to be reading Apertures filter again since people seem to think he is so scummy. I still think Nova is scum, unless he is just really bad. /zebezt | ||
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