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kitaman27
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On June 18 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck my brain.
I know I'm like...ALWAYS wrong with my conspiracy theory stuff, but I'm almost certain now scum has withheld a shot at some point.
If it was the shot on N3 then it means both Fuba and Kita are likely scum, and would fit with the idea that Ace sacced himself because he had a capable scumteam and the 'confirmed town' status that Ace gave to fuba before he decided to essentially off himself.
It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that this is one of those games where the scumteam is blending incredibly well, tryharding like a boss (increasingly common in games I've been in lately), and letting bad townies be bad.
In this case 2 scum among Vivax/kita/fuba.
If me and fuba are scumbuddies, that would mean mafia withheld kp on N3 and shot himself to remove the vet on N4, which would be incredibly silly in a setup with a cop.
If fuba is scum and I'm not, that would still mean mafia withheld kp on N3 and shot himself to remove the vet on N4, which would be incredibly silly in a setup with a cop.
If I'm scum and fuba is town, that would mean I withheld kp on N3, guessing that I would be the one medic protected, then proceeded to shoot the player that just saved me from a hit on N4.
If you're going to come up with conspiracy theories, at least look at the ones that could be plausible like Jay.
@Jay, the indifference between prpl and Vivax from vayne was really scummy. He warrants attention for that reason alone.
With a scum cop, an ignored cop, and an afk cop, I really hope we can pull off a good check tonight.
We've been dancing around a Vivax lynch for far too long and really should have killed him two days ago. I think he's my preferred lynch, but I'm going to reread when I have the chance.
We can't all wait until the day is 3/4th of the way over to start discussion. The last two townies have gone down without much of a fight, so everyone really needs to get involved and share their thoughts, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of the day.
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kitaman27
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Assuming Vivax is mafia, who do you guys think is the most likely to be his scum buddy?
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Would you be able to direct me to the best case against vivax please? Or just quickly outline it, as I'm going to go through his filter soon? I still think it's unlikely for him to give sentinel a town check when he could have given it to practically anyone.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 19 2013 02:23 mkfuba07 wrote:
Would you be able to direct me to the best case against vivax please? Or just quickly outline it, as I'm going to go through his filter soon? I still think it's unlikely for him to give sentinel a town check when he could have given it to practically anyone.
Well he could only really check Sent or prpl and get away with it and both would come up town. It's not like a town check on you or Wave would make much sense from his perspective. I suppose he could have hidden the cop, but a green check on a player he had already wrote a case as being town makes him look good. It's not like the green check saved a mislynch -_-
I'll summarize my earlier case tonight.
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On June 19 2013 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:23 mkfuba07 wrote:
Would you be able to direct me to the best case against vivax please? Or just quickly outline it, as I'm going to go through his filter soon? I still think it's unlikely for him to give sentinel a town check when he could have given it to practically anyone. Well he could only really check Sent or prpl and get away with it and both would come up town. It's not like a town check on you or Wave would make much sense from his perspective. I suppose he could have hidden the cop, but a green check on a player he had already wrote a case as being town makes him look good. It's not like the green check saved a mislynch -_- I'll summarize my earlier case tonight.
Why could he only have given sent or prplhz a town check? He could call anyone that isn't his scumpartner town and be perfectly safe.
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kitaman27
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On June 19 2013 02:38 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 02:23 mkfuba07 wrote:
Would you be able to direct me to the best case against vivax please? Or just quickly outline it, as I'm going to go through his filter soon? I still think it's unlikely for him to give sentinel a town check when he could have given it to practically anyone. Well he could only really check Sent or prpl and get away with it and both would come up town. It's not like a town check on you or Wave would make much sense from his perspective. I suppose he could have hidden the cop, but a green check on a player he had already wrote a case as being town makes him look good. It's not like the green check saved a mislynch -_- I'll summarize my earlier case tonight. Why could he only have given sent or prplhz a town check? He could call anyone that isn't his scumpartner town and be perfectly safe.
A cop isn't going to check a player that is widely considered town. He could have checked into the pool of players like vayne or stutters that were closer to null, but not lynch candidates, but then everyone wants to know why isn't checking his scum read prpl or the number one player that town wanted to lynch with sent.
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I mean I feel like kita has to be town with the sound logic he displays time after time. The fact that fuba is lagging behind on these concepts might be a towntell but I am not sure. I think if town has a cop check they should look into jaybrundage.
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kitaman27
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On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town
Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later.
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On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later.
you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much!
the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me
You can buddy me all night long <3
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On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment.
Sup bro.
Tell me why I would not simply stay silent when people scream for a Sentinel lynch.
It's simply not true when you say I had no other choice.
Sit back, watch Sentinel getting lynched.
Instead, I'd try to stop his lynch when the other option at the start of the day was lynching me?
Vein pls
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On June 19 2013 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment. Sup bro. Tell me why I would not simply stay silent when people scream for a Sentinel lynch. It's simply not true when you say I had no other choice. Sit back, watch Sentinel getting lynched. Instead, I'd try to stop his lynch when the other option at the start of the day was lynching me? Vein pls
It gives you towncred. You were confident in your abilities to out play sentinel easily and get him lynched over you once you started posting. If you put a red on him, you're lynched the next day, if you green a random it really gives you nothing. By doing so you even have fuba relying on this sole motive for not wanting to lynch you so it obviously worked.
Let's assume that you are town though, who do we lynch at this point?
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On June 19 2013 03:48 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:45 Vivax wrote:On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment. Sup bro. Tell me why I would not simply stay silent when people scream for a Sentinel lynch. It's simply not true when you say I had no other choice. Sit back, watch Sentinel getting lynched. Instead, I'd try to stop his lynch when the other option at the start of the day was lynching me? Vein pls It gives you towncred. You were confident in your abilities to out play sentinel easily and get him lynched over you once you started posting. If you put a red on him, you're lynched the next day, if you green a random it really gives you nothing. By doing so you even have fuba relying on this sole motive for not wanting to lynch you so it obviously worked. Let's assume that you are town though, who do we lynch at this point?
Welcome
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On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment.
The way you phrased this bothers me to no end, as you imply that vivax getting a greencheck on sentinel is scummy, and then say that a greencheck is perfectly normal as either alignment. That makes it inherently not scummy.
In any case, we'll have to agree to disagree. If I have the cop role for a night, I'm doing what I want with it. I know that without my flip, the only person who will fully (as fully as possible, I should say) believe it is me. If I want to confirm one of my townreads for myself, I will. If I want to make sure that one of my best townreads isn't pulling the wool over our eyes, I will. It's absolutely not unreasonable to believe he could have given a green check to anyone in the game, and that is why I don't see it likely that scum vivax decided to give a towncheck to one of the players most likely to be mislynched.
More to come later.
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On June 19 2013 03:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 19 2013 03:45 Vivax wrote:On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment. Sup bro. Tell me why I would not simply stay silent when people scream for a Sentinel lynch. It's simply not true when you say I had no other choice. Sit back, watch Sentinel getting lynched. Instead, I'd try to stop his lynch when the other option at the start of the day was lynching me? Vein pls It gives you towncred. You were confident in your abilities to out play sentinel easily and get him lynched over you once you started posting. If you put a red on him, you're lynched the next day, if you green a random it really gives you nothing. By doing so you even have fuba relying on this sole motive for not wanting to lynch you so it obviously worked. Let's assume that you are town though, who do we lynch at this point? Welcome
so you're just gonna dodge the question? figures
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On June 19 2013 04:01 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 03:53 Vivax wrote:On June 19 2013 03:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 19 2013 03:45 Vivax wrote:On June 19 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 19 2013 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 19 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I feel like kita has to be town Ruh roh. Whenever people start posting that at night, I find myself dead a few hours later. you seem to be the only other person on the same wavelength as me but rayn flipped scum so i guess that doesn't matter much! the fact that fuba thinks getting a greencheck of sentinel is not scummy when it is pretty much the only option he had besides green check on prp, is pretty puzzling. Check anyone else and people will wonder why, put a red check on either of them and you are dead the next day. A green check on them is actually perfectly normal for either alignment. Sup bro. Tell me why I would not simply stay silent when people scream for a Sentinel lynch. It's simply not true when you say I had no other choice. Sit back, watch Sentinel getting lynched. Instead, I'd try to stop his lynch when the other option at the start of the day was lynching me? Vein pls It gives you towncred. You were confident in your abilities to out play sentinel easily and get him lynched over you once you started posting. If you put a red on him, you're lynched the next day, if you green a random it really gives you nothing. By doing so you even have fuba relying on this sole motive for not wanting to lynch you so it obviously worked. Let's assume that you are town though, who do we lynch at this point? Welcome so you're just gonna dodge the question? figures
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So I was gonna save this for later, but it turns out I might not be around. I feel alright posting this now because if scum killed me they'd actually be doing town a favor.
In response to WoS's question, I think that scumteam (one including 2 of me/kita/vivax) has absolutely 0 merit, but I don't think it's unreasonable for you to have believed it to be viable. I was even worrying about WoS messing with us, but after further consideration of the night actions, I've narrowed the field down considerably. The problem being, I have all of this "guaranteed" information that no one else in the game but scum also has. I'll spell it out the way I see it, and you'll have to either accept it or tell me why I'm scum.
First of all, I know that I was shot N4. This means that the veteran role was around this entire time (scum didn't kill it off on their own), and that they wanted me dead for some reason (which I can't really fathom, perhaps trying to limit the "confirmed" pool as much as possible while avoiding the doc?). N3, WoS blocked Sentinel, and I saved kita. We know for a fact that the shot didn't come from sentinel, so my save blocked a KP. It's possible that scum withheld the KP to wifom us, but I don't think it's likely for reasons similar to what kita mentioned. Scum would have basically been relying on the town doc to save one of them or town roleblocker to block town. They'd be giving up a KP for the sake of potential wifom, and that doesn't make sense. The only possibility I could see this being believable is if they killed off the veteran role with the KP, but they didn't, because I got the role the next day. Now onto N2. First of all, scum had veteran N2. We all know this to be fact. If they withheld the KP, then they could have easily used it to burn the veteran role. They didn't burn the vet, so I HIGHLY doubt that they withheld KP (this additionally factors into my thoughts concerning held KP on N3). Then, given that I have a town read on Vivax, that confirms WoS and Vayne for me.
The remaining players are Stutters, jaybrundage, and layabout. I don't think it's Stutters, his reaction to rayn calling his case shit was really geniune from my pov. He thought it was completely ridiculous, and I think scum would have behaved more levelheadedly if they were interacting like this. I don't think that scum stutters sees scum rayn say something like that and responds the way he did.
This leaves jaybrundage and layabout as the final scum. Looking through their filters, it fits. Read N2, and see Ace and layabout trying to convince the town to give jay the OK to cop check Ace that night. Notice that they're on opposite sides of the argument on almost every issue (even when voting, they're on different people at the end of every night with the exception of sentinel). Watch layabout adamantly insist that the only way to be sure we're avoiding another mislynch is to cop check Ace, then turns around and tells Ace that there was strong scum motivation to what he did (WoS points this out at the time, but I didn't pick up on it). See how jay has a scumread on layabout when the lynches are set, but is freed of the responsibility of pushing that lynch after he gets a greencheck on him.
I'm sure there's a better method of writing a case for this, but I don't really have the time at the moment, and ultimately it only really clicked after I went back again and reread the game, so I suggest everyone do that (particularly D2/N2/D3). In any case, like Vayne I'd advocate for a check on jay (or layabout), as well as a block on either of those. Do what you want, though. They're your power roles, and I'm pretty much pushing for these two regardless of cop checks (roleblock would probably dissuade me, depending on the roleblocker). However, and this may be strange, I would not recommend saving me as doc tonight. Either I'm here in the morning and you have me and my scumreads, or you don't have me but you have confirmation that I've been telling the truth about everything (along with my scumreads).
Ugh, gotta go. Probably left something out, but that's the gist of it.
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Day 6
WaveofShadow, the Doctor got ganked!
It's Day 6, you have 48 hours to find and vote a lynch of your choosing. Yaboo.
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looks like they cut off the only person that can attempt to read me, here comes the lynch push on me. Gonna laugh so hard when somebody comes into this thread with a red check on me
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