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Looking over him the big points i dont like. Is his self proclaimed confirmed town just from rayn calling him a town read.
Here he defends it saying that Rayn calling him town when Vayne doesnt have any influence on the thread day 1 that it doesnt make sense for scum to buddy with town like that. And he some how takes this instance to call him self confirmed town.
On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling.
Again talking about Rayn calling him town. Its all WIFOM and he keeps coming back to it cause its his only argument that he has for him being town.
On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. How was he trying to change his lynch exactly by 'buddying' you? I remember you bringing that up earlier and thought to myself that it was strange that you'd think of ti that way. You, my friend, have warranted a re-read. In fact I think I want to start actually putting some effort in now since my lategame play is notoriously bad. Kita, thoughts on the mislynch please? At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town. You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched?
His not caring who died voting prplhz even tho he doesnt have a scum read on him. Says he doesnt have a case on Vivax just wants him to die. He just wants someone to die besides him and his scum buddie. He makes it obvious he doesn't care who he lynches. I made one comment to him about why he doesnt have a case. And he just changed his vote. No conviction about his read.
On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't have a case (on Vivax). if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV.
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Plz vayne convince me other wise.
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kitaman27
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On June 20 2013 03:31 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 02:24 kitaman27 wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? Both Vivax and Vayne are tied to the N2 action, where Vivax was roleblocked and Vayne claimed to have protected WoS. I wanna lynch Vayne still. He has done hella scummy things. And given WoS's theory on scum using blue roles it would make sense that he would hold the shot and claim he doc protected someone.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. If mafia is going to double stack a target, I don't think JarJarDinks would have been who they decided to use it on. A double stack on fuba or WoS would have made much more sense, while accomplishing the same goal. Vivax and/or Vayne could still be scum, but I don't think that's the argument I'd want to push.
I've been pressed for time today, but tonight I'll try to be decided on a vote.
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On June 20 2013 03:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Vayne are you here?
yea im here and what I outlined is going to happen is now happening because it was incredibly obvious. Jay for confirmed scum. If you are town just look at what I said about one of fuba/jay looking to plant their seed yesterday for no reason other than to try to get me mislynched today; its blatantly obvious who that is now. If you are truly town stutters then I can't see any other scum team right now besides jay/vivax.
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kitaman27
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jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime?
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On June 20 2013 03:57 jaybrundage wrote:Looking over him the big points i dont like. Is his self proclaimed confirmed town just from rayn calling him a town read. Here he defends it saying that Rayn calling him town when Vayne doesnt have any influence on the thread day 1 that it doesnt make sense for scum to buddy with town like that. And he some how takes this instance to call him self confirmed town. Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. Again talking about Rayn calling him town. Its all WIFOM and he keeps coming back to it cause its his only argument that he has for him being town. Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. How was he trying to change his lynch exactly by 'buddying' you? I remember you bringing that up earlier and thought to myself that it was strange that you'd think of ti that way. You, my friend, have warranted a re-read. In fact I think I want to start actually putting some effort in now since my lategame play is notoriously bad. Kita, thoughts on the mislynch please? At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town. You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched? His not caring who died voting prplhz even tho he doesnt have a scum read on him. Says he doesnt have a case on Vivax just wants him to die. He just wants someone to die besides him and his scum buddie. He makes it obvious he doesn't care who he lynches. I made one comment to him about why he doesnt have a case. And he just changed his vote. No conviction about his read. Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't have a case (on Vivax). if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV.
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##vote:prphlz ##Vote VaynePlz vayne convince me other wise.
Your whole arguments rests on the fact that I have done scummy things which pretty much makes me town so your argument is pretty bad btw. I have said multiple times the only reason to get vivax lynched is because its win/win for me, either hes scum or I am confirmed town if he's town and WoS would have been too but now it's too late for that.
Need I remind you that you tried his stunt the previous day and were content with my answers to switch right back to prphlz? What's with the sudden resurgance, am I your next town to get mislynched as predicted?
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kitaman27
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Vayne could you point me to what makes jay scum outside his suspicions of you? Right now it looks like an omgus.
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On June 20 2013 04:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Vayne could you point me to what makes jay scum outside his suspicions of you? Right now it looks like an omgus.
go back into my filter, I already said exactly what would happen. Jay or fuba wanted to put their suspicion on me yesterday but were content to stay on prphlz to setup my mislynch for today.
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kitaman27
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On June 20 2013 04:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Vayne could you point me to what makes jay scum outside his suspicions of you? Right now it looks like an omgus. go back into my filter, I already said exactly what would happen. Jay or fuba wanted to put their suspicion on me yesterday but were content to stay on prphlz to setup my mislynch for today.
That's not a very good reason.
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kitaman27
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Or perhaps what I mean to say is that doesn't answer my question.
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On June 20 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless.
The difficulty for me when it came to that question was that the only people I considered "confirmed town" were myself, kita, and to some extent WoS (though I certainly had a constant nagging feeling that he might have played us somehow). So if he was asking me if scum might have been playing us like this, the only implication in my mind is myself (not scum, but that's what scum would say XD) or kita, who would have had to withhold KP on the offchance that the doctor would protect him, in an effort to confirm himself town. Neither of these are correct.
My problem is, given the night actions as they are, if we lynch vivax and he's town, then that means that vayne and stutters are most likely scum. That's at odds with my belief that scum didn't withhold kp at night. So the options are vivax is scum, there was a lie/godfather somewhere in you/layabout, or scum withheld kp N2 to make vayne look like confirmed town without then using that held kp to burn the vet role (or possibly some combination of the last two).
Oh wow, just realized that if scum used the kp to burn the vet, then anyone who later used it would be implicated as scum (if it became known that they used a KP in this way), and if they didn't use it then they would reveal that Ace shot himself to burn the kp. That would ultimately make it a worthless action, right?
Given this, I'd much rather lynch vayne than vivax. His major contributions this game have been confusing logic, misrepresentations of things others have said, and pushing for a Vivax lynch which would supposedly confirm him town if vivax flips town, when I see a town vivax as doing almost the exact opposite. I also just went back to check, and the night after the sentinel lynch, after I kept questioning vayne about him calling sentinel "obviously town" (questions that he decided to stop answering), was the night I got shot. The major thing holding back my voting for him was the belief that vivax was town, and scum wouldn't just not use one of their KP, but this absolutely makes sense to me now.
The fact that vayne's been trying to make it seem like I've been setting up a mislynch on him for the last few days was just irritating and overly defensive when I thought he was town. But it's clear now that he was accusing me of that just so he could do the very same thing now. He preempts every possible action that could have been taken against him, because he knows that eventually they'll be coming. He consistently considers more members of a scumteam than are even possible, and now appears to be appealing to the towniness in his definite scumread (stutters) to declare vivax and jay as another definite team. Appealing to the *towniness* of *scum*. Doesn't make sense.
Oh, and why did Ace sacrifice himself like this when it made no sense to do so? So it would look absolutely insane to consider that they would give up such a strong scum player for one extra KP, and then just not use it.
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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On June 20 2013 04:40 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 20 2013 04:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Vayne could you point me to what makes jay scum outside his suspicions of you? Right now it looks like an omgus. go back into my filter, I already said exactly what would happen. Jay or fuba wanted to put their suspicion on me yesterday but were content to stay on prphlz to setup my mislynch for today. That's not a very good reason.
It's actually a godawful reason, as it's exactly what vayne himself did. He's also implicating jay AND myself, when he already thinks vivax AND stutters are scum.
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it's the truth, and at least I get the satisfaction of seeing the dumbass look on the rest of the town's face when I flip green.
Everything I said would happen, happened. This game is too easy yawn. Time to see if any other dumb townies fall for it I guess.
I love how instead of lynching vivax we are going to lynch a 3rd straight town instead, might as well consider it gamethrowing at this point
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On June 20 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless. The difficulty for me when it came to that question was that the only people I considered "confirmed town" were myself, kita, and to some extent WoS (though I certainly had a constant nagging feeling that he might have played us somehow). So if he was asking me if scum might have been playing us like this, the only implication in my mind is myself (not scum, but that's what scum would say XD) or kita, who would have had to withhold KP on the offchance that the doctor would protect him, in an effort to confirm himself town. Neither of these are correct. My problem is, given the night actions as they are, if we lynch vivax and he's town, then that means that vayne and stutters are most likely scum. That's at odds with my belief that scum didn't withhold kp at night. So the options are vivax is scum, there was a lie/godfather somewhere in you/layabout, or scum withheld kp N2 to make vayne look like confirmed town without then using that held kp to burn the vet role (or possibly some combination of the last two). Oh wow, just realized that if scum used the kp to burn the vet, then anyone who later used it would be implicated as scum (if it became known that they used a KP in this way), and if they didn't use it then they would reveal that Ace shot himself to burn the kp. That would ultimately make it a worthless action, right? Given this, I'd much rather lynch vayne than vivax. His major contributions this game have been confusing logic, misrepresentations of things others have said, and pushing for a Vivax lynch which would supposedly confirm him town if vivax flips town, when I see a town vivax as doing almost the exact opposite. I also just went back to check, and the night after the sentinel lynch, after I kept questioning vayne about him calling sentinel "obviously town" (questions that he decided to stop answering), was the night I got shot. The major thing holding back my voting for him was the belief that vivax was town, and scum wouldn't just not use one of their KP, but this absolutely makes sense to me now. The fact that vayne's been trying to make it seem like I've been setting up a mislynch on him for the last few days was just irritating and overly defensive when I thought he was town. But it's clear now that he was accusing me of that just so he could do the very same thing now. He preempts every possible action that could have been taken against him, because he knows that eventually they'll be coming. He consistently considers more members of a scumteam than are even possible, and now appears to be appealing to the towniness in his definite scumread (stutters) to declare vivax and jay as another definite team. Appealing to the *towniness* of *scum*. Doesn't make sense. Oh, and why did Ace sacrifice himself like this when it made no sense to do so? So it would look absolutely insane to consider that they would give up such a strong scum player for one extra KP, and then just not use it. ##Vote: VayneAuthority
you realize vivax flipping green means his KP wasn't roleblocked by prphlz and that I did indeed save WoS that day? The fact that you have failed to understand such simple things the entire game is at the least, alarming. I don't know if you are a complete dolt or just scum though.
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Well I was typing up a long ass post on why Vayne was scum but by the time I finish it you guys will have lynched him. Here's what I was thinking of his D1 play.
Ok so big post on Vayne:
There will be blood meta so I'll highlight the meta in red, bold red will be to emphasize something.
Day 1: He really isn't saying dick, but no surprise there. He's done it both of the other games I've played with him (1 town, 1 scum).
Here is where it starts to bug me
On June 05 2013 01:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I may advocate a lurker lynch today. I am aware that people (ie Vivax) have stated their activity may be low but everybody can't be excused. I would not be surprised in the least if 1 or 2 scum are hiding thus far since there has been essentially no reason to post yet. Activity is shit so far and there is nothing useful to talk about yet; as far as I can tell people who have planted their votes have done so with mostly minimal reasoning and if the intent was to generate discussion, well it hasn't really.
Sorry to be a downer but I both love and hate D1 and this game has me leaning towards the hate side, strongly.
Sloosh, is your lurking indicative of you being scum, ie Carnival Cruise?
Rayn, where you at?
JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?
Vayne you can answer as well. Don't really care for meta, guess you'll just have to find out once the start actually starts rolling
On June 05 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:55 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I don't have the time to do detailed analysis of everyone I want to look into right now but let's bounce some suspects.
First for me is Fuba. Check out his long post his only suspect has been Vayne and with his answer he takes some time to defend himself and waffles on Vayne. Very noncommittal, doesn't really pressure and has been mia. I haven't played with Fuba in ages but I remember him being much more active. Do you think he's strapped for time and town or a scummer getting by due to the relative inactivity. I am waiting to see more from him but he's definitely on my radar, I am reading the thread just don't have much to contribute right now. These metagames and pointless accusations this early bore me.
That's twice in early d1 he says he doesn't care for meta, yet his first real stance is a townread on Rayne for meta where he votes WoS for no reason except that at least it isn't his town read.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 15:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
I dont see anything on rayn, he doesn't really have a meta from what I have seen. He plays differently from game to game and his activity is based off the time he actually has not his alignment. Neither of us are good lynches. I am leaning towards mkfuba or WoS not sure yet On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads
He also defends Ace by saying that if he's town scum will shoot him, so there is no point in lynching him/getting him to contribute.
Then he switches to Fuba because he's his "real read."
Now that the summary is done, onto why this is scummy:
First, I consider Vayne a very cognizant player. It isn't that his reads are amazing or anything as town but he's always thinking ahead. That is part of my concern with him.
For the obvious scum motivations he got by d1 with not being a serious suspect at all and avoiding contributing literally anything. Although defending two scum could just be terrible luck, I would not rule out the possibility of scumteam consisting of Ace and Vayne to orchestrate that. He defends both confirmed scum on no reasoning at all. That isn't something that just happens.
I'd also like to call attention to + Show Spoiler [this post] +On June 06 2013 11:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I welcome anyone that questions my alignment to cop me then if you can't vig me, so we don't waste a lynch.
Vayne is too focused on how night actions affect gameplay to not realize that with the godfather possibility, you can't rely on someone calling themselves for a cop check to be reliable.
Overall a pretty scummy d1 but nothing really concrete in it, Gonna abridge the rest to get it out quick.
If a scum recieves the miller/GF role, are they informed that they are the GF for that night?
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On June 20 2013 04:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 20 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless. The difficulty for me when it came to that question was that the only people I considered "confirmed town" were myself, kita, and to some extent WoS (though I certainly had a constant nagging feeling that he might have played us somehow). So if he was asking me if scum might have been playing us like this, the only implication in my mind is myself (not scum, but that's what scum would say XD) or kita, who would have had to withhold KP on the offchance that the doctor would protect him, in an effort to confirm himself town. Neither of these are correct. My problem is, given the night actions as they are, if we lynch vivax and he's town, then that means that vayne and stutters are most likely scum. That's at odds with my belief that scum didn't withhold kp at night. So the options are vivax is scum, there was a lie/godfather somewhere in you/layabout, or scum withheld kp N2 to make vayne look like confirmed town without then using that held kp to burn the vet role (or possibly some combination of the last two). Oh wow, just realized that if scum used the kp to burn the vet, then anyone who later used it would be implicated as scum (if it became known that they used a KP in this way), and if they didn't use it then they would reveal that Ace shot himself to burn the kp. That would ultimately make it a worthless action, right? Given this, I'd much rather lynch vayne than vivax. His major contributions this game have been confusing logic, misrepresentations of things others have said, and pushing for a Vivax lynch which would supposedly confirm him town if vivax flips town, when I see a town vivax as doing almost the exact opposite. I also just went back to check, and the night after the sentinel lynch, after I kept questioning vayne about him calling sentinel "obviously town" (questions that he decided to stop answering), was the night I got shot. The major thing holding back my voting for him was the belief that vivax was town, and scum wouldn't just not use one of their KP, but this absolutely makes sense to me now. The fact that vayne's been trying to make it seem like I've been setting up a mislynch on him for the last few days was just irritating and overly defensive when I thought he was town. But it's clear now that he was accusing me of that just so he could do the very same thing now. He preempts every possible action that could have been taken against him, because he knows that eventually they'll be coming. He consistently considers more members of a scumteam than are even possible, and now appears to be appealing to the towniness in his definite scumread (stutters) to declare vivax and jay as another definite team. Appealing to the *towniness* of *scum*. Doesn't make sense. Oh, and why did Ace sacrifice himself like this when it made no sense to do so? So it would look absolutely insane to consider that they would give up such a strong scum player for one extra KP, and then just not use it. ##Vote: VayneAuthority you realize vivax flipping green means his KP wasn't roleblocked by prphlz and that I did indeed save WoS that day? The fact that you have failed to understand such simple things the entire game is at the least, alarming. I don't know if you are a complete dolt or just scum though.
No, vivax flipping green means many things. It means he wasn't scum. It means his cop check is as trusted as can be with a roaming miller/godfather about. It means jay is likely town, and in turn layabout is likely town. It means that the only two scum left at that point are you and stutters. And this is nearly impossible if we assume (like I had been) that scum didn't hold their KP.
You're appealing to the simple when it doesn't make sense to be doing so. The simple explanation is next to impossible. You also completely ignored the substance of the case and are focusing entirely on the setup-based possibility of you being scum while ignoring the scummy things that I claim you have done. Then you resort to ad hominem attacks.
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On June 20 2013 05:09 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 20 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 20 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless. The difficulty for me when it came to that question was that the only people I considered "confirmed town" were myself, kita, and to some extent WoS (though I certainly had a constant nagging feeling that he might have played us somehow). So if he was asking me if scum might have been playing us like this, the only implication in my mind is myself (not scum, but that's what scum would say XD) or kita, who would have had to withhold KP on the offchance that the doctor would protect him, in an effort to confirm himself town. Neither of these are correct. My problem is, given the night actions as they are, if we lynch vivax and he's town, then that means that vayne and stutters are most likely scum. That's at odds with my belief that scum didn't withhold kp at night. So the options are vivax is scum, there was a lie/godfather somewhere in you/layabout, or scum withheld kp N2 to make vayne look like confirmed town without then using that held kp to burn the vet role (or possibly some combination of the last two). Oh wow, just realized that if scum used the kp to burn the vet, then anyone who later used it would be implicated as scum (if it became known that they used a KP in this way), and if they didn't use it then they would reveal that Ace shot himself to burn the kp. That would ultimately make it a worthless action, right? Given this, I'd much rather lynch vayne than vivax. His major contributions this game have been confusing logic, misrepresentations of things others have said, and pushing for a Vivax lynch which would supposedly confirm him town if vivax flips town, when I see a town vivax as doing almost the exact opposite. I also just went back to check, and the night after the sentinel lynch, after I kept questioning vayne about him calling sentinel "obviously town" (questions that he decided to stop answering), was the night I got shot. The major thing holding back my voting for him was the belief that vivax was town, and scum wouldn't just not use one of their KP, but this absolutely makes sense to me now. The fact that vayne's been trying to make it seem like I've been setting up a mislynch on him for the last few days was just irritating and overly defensive when I thought he was town. But it's clear now that he was accusing me of that just so he could do the very same thing now. He preempts every possible action that could have been taken against him, because he knows that eventually they'll be coming. He consistently considers more members of a scumteam than are even possible, and now appears to be appealing to the towniness in his definite scumread (stutters) to declare vivax and jay as another definite team. Appealing to the *towniness* of *scum*. Doesn't make sense. Oh, and why did Ace sacrifice himself like this when it made no sense to do so? So it would look absolutely insane to consider that they would give up such a strong scum player for one extra KP, and then just not use it. ##Vote: VayneAuthority you realize vivax flipping green means his KP wasn't roleblocked by prphlz and that I did indeed save WoS that day? The fact that you have failed to understand such simple things the entire game is at the least, alarming. I don't know if you are a complete dolt or just scum though. No, vivax flipping green means many things. It means he wasn't scum. It means his cop check is as trusted as can be with a roaming miller/godfather about. It means jay is likely town, and in turn layabout is likely town. It means that the only two scum left at that point are you and stutters. And this is nearly impossible if we assume (like I had been) that scum didn't hold their KP. You're appealing to the simple when it doesn't make sense to be doing so. The simple explanation is next to impossible. You also completely ignored the substance of the case and are focusing entirely on the setup-based possibility of you being scum while ignoring the scummy things that I claim you have done. Then you resort to ad hominem attacks.
ok confirmed dumb. So his cop reports now matter if he's town but the fact that there is no other explanation for the lack of kp on the second day doesn't matter?
Worst town of all time or scum
I am going to seriously laugh if you are town, i would shit my pants lol
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kitaman27
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##Vote Vayne (Just because I feel left out on the insults. Will probably be changing)
I still feel that too many people have town reads on Vivax without explanations. Can anyone point it out to me?
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On June 20 2013 05:14 kitaman27 wrote:
##Vote Vayne (Just because I feel left out on the insults. Will probably be changing)
I still feel that too many people have town reads on Vivax without explanations. Can anyone point it out to me?
there's no need to insult you, you aren't making ridiculously biased claims and not being oblivious to the fact that every single day vivax has been on the chopping block and somehow his counterpart gets lynched and he gets to skate by on basically doing NOTHING. His posts are completely devoid of any content, especially recently.
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On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime?
I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him.
He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum.
Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter.
Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well.
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kitaman27
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On June 20 2013 05:16 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime? I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him. He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum. Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter. Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well.
None of this really tells me why you think Vivax is town. Or do you not have a town read on him?
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