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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 21 2013 05:02 GMT
#1621
at lylo? yeah.

Confirmed town > anything at lylo. That's one person you can't lynch.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 21 2013 05:07 GMT
#1622
True, true.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 21 2013 15:02 GMT
#1623


Scum, I promise to not do ANYTHING EVER if you don't kill me.

K?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 21 2013 15:21 GMT
#1624
Hapa I would like to know who you think the scum team is before the deadline.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 21 2013 22:11 GMT
#1625
I have to go sleep now, so unfortunately I can't wait for the deadline. But here are my current reads anyway (although I think most likely WBG or MrZentor is NK'd tonight).

MrZentor is confirmed town, so there's no point to talk about him. I'm fairly certain that WBG is town as well. He's been the most influential and active poster ever since D2, yet he hasn't done anything alarming during this time, which feels like an almost impossible task for Mafia. He's also been constantly pushing town agenda by actively discussing, controlling the voting process and sharing reads. I haven't played with iamperfection before, but his play seems very similar to his earlier town play and he's been reasonably active, so I think he's town for now.

I had to do some re-evaluation after Hopeless flipped town, so I think scum could be among any of these following players, but some are more likely scum than others.

jaybrundage
I didn't like his D1 play at all, but he started to focus on scumhunting during N1 and D2. Then he almost completely stopped posting (apparently internet problems or something), although his rare posts were okayish. I think it's plausible for him to flip scum, but not likely enough to make him a decent lynch.

Lazermonkey
He's been a top suspect for most of the game, but I just couldn't see Kush behaving the way he did as scum. There aren't many choices left anymore, though, so by process of elimination (and lack of anything to really make me think of Lazermonkey as town) Lazermonkey has an okayish chance of flipping scum.

Hapahauli
If we look at just this one game, Hapahauli has played decently: pushed his scumreads, analyzed, posted a fairly good amount of content. But something is wrong. He has posted less and less frequently since the beginning (it's characteristic of scum to degrade in activity over time), led two mislynches (despite being a really good player) and used unusually bad logic (despite him usually having constantly sound logic):

On January 13 2013 12:34 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa you aren't acting townie. You are actively pushing logical falsehoods for some reason and I don't get why. A more spammy version of the dumb or scum conundrum.

I'm just pointing out how your logic is bad. ---->I was useless as scum, i'm useless right now, therefore I must be scum.
Bad reasoning.. one example of many in the thread so far.

@hapa are you saying stupid shit just because you like to talk a lot? why are you using bad logic?


None of these things were present when I played with town Hapa before! There's always the chance that he's just really having a bad game, but with all these combined, it feels like too much of a coincidence. A decent lynch IMO.

grush57
He actually has 5 pages of filter but (almost) nothing valuable in all those posts. Mostly it's just fluff, vague remarks and other unhelpful small talk. He also flip-flops on his reads constantly and almost never gives reasoning for his reads and/or for the changes in them. This is a good example:

On January 19 2013 11:54 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 10:27 iamperfection wrote:
im pretty sure hapa isnt scum at this point. I thought there was a possibility of him being sk but with that eliminated i think it is likely that he is town.

## Vote hopeless


You can die hopeless you are making no sense because you are scum.


this guy is scum.
Also because hopeless is too...

##Vote: Hopeless1dr


He is confident in Hopeless flipping scum (apparently?). But then:

On January 21 2013 02:54 grush57 wrote:
I'll go for a lazermonkey lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: lazermonkey

Also Mr. Zentor you are a confirmed town and you are doing absolute jack shit with it.


Jumping off the wagon for some reason (Hopeless' recent surge of activity?) when a good opportunity presents itself. No real reasoning for this HUGE change from clear scum -> don't lynch! Of course he can look better after Hopeless flips town, right?

- - -

Then we have to also consider grush's recent push for Hapa. I think it's weird for him to do that if they're both scum (not impossible but somewhat unlikely), so more likely one of them is scum and one is town. Hapa hasn't played up to his meta, but he has still played much better than pretty much anyone else, so I'd say grush is the safer lynch right now. And *safe* is the keyword at LYLO... There are no second chances anymore.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 21 2013 22:19 GMT
#1626
I think hapa has a good chance of flipping scum one thing that stands out to me is that hapa can not stand lurkers and now we have plenty of them at this point with activity really dying off the last few days.

In my mind i believe a town hapa would be doing anything he could think of to spur activity at this point and he hasn't done it and i know he is capable of doing it.

It appears that he doesn't care about the recent developments most likely not because he is having a bad game but more likely because he is scum and his recent attitude.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 21 2013 22:37 GMT
#1627
bugs what are your current thoughts on hapa?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 21 2013 23:22 GMT
#1628
Lol xata idk how u can possibly say wbg and hapa are townie. WHY WOULD SCUM SHOOT THRAWN OVER WBG? Town wbg is super goodtown :D
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 21 2013 23:28 GMT
#1629
On January 22 2013 07:11 Xatalos wrote:
I have to go sleep now, so unfortunately I can't wait for the deadline. But here are my current reads anyway (although I think most likely WBG or MrZentor is NK'd tonight).

MrZentor is confirmed town, so there's no point to talk about him. I'm fairly certain that WBG is town as well. He's been the most influential and active poster ever since D2, yet he hasn't done anything alarming during this time, which feels like an almost impossible task for Mafia. He's also been constantly pushing town agenda by actively discussing, controlling the voting process and sharing reads. I haven't played with iamperfection before, but his play seems very similar to his earlier town play and he's been reasonably active, so I think he's town for now.

I had to do some re-evaluation after Hopeless flipped town, so I think scum could be among any of these following players, but some are more likely scum than others.

jaybrundage
I didn't like his D1 play at all, but he started to focus on scumhunting during N1 and D2. Then he almost completely stopped posting (apparently internet problems or something), although his rare posts were okayish. I think it's plausible for him to flip scum, but not likely enough to make him a decent lynch.

Lazermonkey
He's been a top suspect for most of the game, but I just couldn't see Kush behaving the way he did as scum. There aren't many choices left anymore, though, so by process of elimination (and lack of anything to really make me think of Lazermonkey as town) Lazermonkey has an okayish chance of flipping scum.

Hapahauli
If we look at just this one game, Hapahauli has played decently: pushed his scumreads, analyzed, posted a fairly good amount of content. But something is wrong. He has posted less and less frequently since the beginning (it's characteristic of scum to degrade in activity over time), led two mislynches (despite being a really good player) and used unusually bad logic (despite him usually having constantly sound logic):

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:34 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa you aren't acting townie. You are actively pushing logical falsehoods for some reason and I don't get why. A more spammy version of the dumb or scum conundrum.

I'm just pointing out how your logic is bad. ---->I was useless as scum, i'm useless right now, therefore I must be scum.
Bad reasoning.. one example of many in the thread so far.

@hapa are you saying stupid shit just because you like to talk a lot? why are you using bad logic?


None of these things were present when I played with town Hapa before! There's always the chance that he's just really having a bad game, but with all these combined, it feels like too much of a coincidence. A decent lynch IMO.

grush57
He actually has 5 pages of filter but (almost) nothing valuable in all those posts. Mostly it's just fluff, vague remarks and other unhelpful small talk. He also flip-flops on his reads constantly and almost never gives reasoning for his reads and/or for the changes in them. This is a good example:

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 11:54 grush57 wrote:
On January 19 2013 10:27 iamperfection wrote:
im pretty sure hapa isnt scum at this point. I thought there was a possibility of him being sk but with that eliminated i think it is likely that he is town.

## Vote hopeless


You can die hopeless you are making no sense because you are scum.


this guy is scum.
Also because hopeless is too...

##Vote: Hopeless1dr


He is confident in Hopeless flipping scum (apparently?). But then:

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 02:54 grush57 wrote:
I'll go for a lazermonkey lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: lazermonkey

Also Mr. Zentor you are a confirmed town and you are doing absolute jack shit with it.


Jumping off the wagon for some reason (Hopeless' recent surge of activity?) when a good opportunity presents itself. No real reasoning for this HUGE change from clear scum -> don't lynch! Of course he can look better after Hopeless flips town, right?

- - -

Then we have to also consider grush's recent push for Hapa. I think it's weird for him to do that if they're both scum (not impossible but somewhat unlikely), so more likely one of them is scum and one is town. Hapa hasn't played up to his meta, but he has still played much better than pretty much anyone else, so I'd say grush is the safer lynch right now. And *safe* is the keyword at LYLO... There are no second chances anymore.

Xata, I think your the 3rd scum and not lazermonkey or you don't know what your talking about. Hopeless was actively trying to promote discussion and was the only one active. I realized this so I went on lazermonkey. Those were 2 days apart. I don't know how you think I did it for town cred when lazermonkey could of been lynched too at that point.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 21 2013 23:29 GMT
#1630
But, I will lynch hapa with you xata, and then wbg will die the next day, and by then we will see the 3rd scum hopefully.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 21 2013 23:36 GMT
#1631
On January 22 2013 07:19 iamperfection wrote:
I think hapa has a good chance of flipping scum one thing that stands out to me is that hapa can not stand lurkers and now we have plenty of them at this point with activity really dying off the last few days.

In my mind i believe a town hapa would be doing anything he could think of to spur activity at this point and he hasn't done it and i know he is capable of doing it.

It appears that he doesn't care about the recent developments most likely not because he is having a bad game but more likely because he is scum and his recent attitude.
This is a very good point actually. Hapa has posted less than half of what he did in British Empire MM in the same amount of time. Same thing goes for Hero MM.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 21 2013 23:38 GMT
#1632
Grush, how do you think Xata is 3:party? I'm not even sure it's possible to have two serial killers in this setup. But even if it was possiblee, why haven't we seen more NKs?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 03:02:52
January 22 2013 00:01 GMT
#1633
Day 4
[image loading]
Git sum, fuka


MrZentor sat in the dark of his apartment. A bottle of scotch in front of him, almost emptied.

"God damn you, thrawn! How could you leave me like that! We were destined for each other. A pair of Cakes, to be bought as a set. BUT HOW WILL I EVER BE EATEN, WITHOUT YOU!
YOU FUCKER!
Just abandoning me like that."

He went into the bathroom and took out a blade of his razor.

"I was meant to be the 1221 to your 2112.."

He cut his side, making his yellow crème bleed out of his delicious body, drenching the room in a rich pumpkinny odor.

The pain numbed him, but it was never enough. Cutting just was insufficient.

He waddled to the window. Surely...

...

The fall was swift.

...

What he did not anticipate was getting caught by a man. He has been saved!
He turned his topping, questions buzzing in his mind. Why had he saved me? Is it possible that he wants to eat me? Me, and out-of-season single Pumpkin Cheesecake? He would eat me even without thrawn at my side??

Then he gazed into the eyes of the man.
What he saw made him freeze. Those were not the eyes of a benevolent Cheesecake-lover.
They were the hard, cold eyes of a Pie-eater.

The Pie-eater smirked at him. "What you gotten yer hopes up or what? Don't be ridic. This is the only thing you are good for..."

A second sensation of flight was felt by MrZentor. This time in horizontally. He looked ahead, and the last thing he saw was the shocked face of an innocent bystander, who only just realized what devious happenings he was going to be part of.

MrZentor felt the powerful impact of colliding with the other man's face topping-first. He felt his crème and shattered parts of his base scattering from his center.

With the last remains of his conciousness, he heard the dessert-assaulted man utter the last words he was ever to hear:
"Ugh I don't even like Pumpkin. Gross."

The man grabbed the plate with MrZentor's corpse, and tossed it to the ground.


MrZentor, the Pumpkin Cheesecake (Mason) has been killed!

It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to vote for a lynch.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 22 2013 00:07 GMT
#1634
On January 21 2013 10:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 10:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Hapa whats your thoughts given Hopeless's flip? Do you plan to give all your reads in case your shot?


A lot of my reads were based around Hopeless flipping red, so I have some re-reading to do. Yes you can expect a read-dump towards the end of the day.

da fuq
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 22 2013 00:37 GMT
#1635
is the perfect one going to have to start playing 1 man mafia because i am more than capable of doing it.

iamperfection- What do you think of hapa iamperfection?


iamperfection2- Well i got to say with us not nailing any scum so far in this game and with his one contribution being tunneling of hopeless and assuiming hopeless was confirmed scum is pretty much bull shit

have to say i think he is scum


iamperfection- Well gosh iamperfection2 that seems pretty reasonable good job bro


iamperfection2- thanks man What do you think grush?


Iamperfection- Well you know i dont he didnt do shit for the first couple of days but he shared are scummy read of hapa. So i could be a usefull ally if need be. Is he possibly bussing?? i dont think so

somewhat null on him i would say


Iamperfection2- That is pretty weak iamperfection cant you do better on grush?


Iamperfection- no. Tell me what you think of Xaltos


iamperfection2- He is town


iamperfection- That it? no reasoning?


iamperfection2- Go read my fucking filter you noob


Iamperfection- Fuck you this conversation is over

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 22 2013 00:48 GMT
#1636
Lazer is not reading, from what I've seen Hapa is either having a bad game or is scum, and grush is almost certainly scum.

Let's kill grush today.

we have:

myself
iamp
Xata
Jay
Hapa
Lazer
grush

In rough order of towniness, though I honestly have no idea where to put Hapa. He didn't come back with reads despite promising to do so and that degrades him considerably.

##vote grush57
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 22 2013 00:50 GMT
#1637
On January 22 2013 08:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Grush, how do you think Xata is 3:party? I'm not even sure it's possible to have two serial killers in this setup. But even if it was possiblee, why haven't we seen more NKs?

its not
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 22 2013 00:52 GMT
#1638
lets see where the people stand

i vote
## hapa

For the crime of being scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 22 2013 00:53 GMT
#1639
ebwop
## Vote hapa
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 22 2013 01:33 GMT
#1640
anyone here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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