EPTIEG Copyright Issues - Page 8
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:12 kuroshiroi wrote: Kespa seems to be doing an excellent job at getting the vods up really fast. The only complaint we might even have at this point is the aspect ratio, which I hope some Korean speaking TL member can notify them about. Assuming they haven't already. The match finished an hour ago and all the vods are already up, this is how you stop "piracy"  The 30 min late "live" stream was not ok. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:21 hellbound wrote: The 30 min late "live" stream was not ok. Let's not condemn them based on their first broadcasts. I say we give them at least a month before we get really angry. They're obviously still working out the technical details. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: I sent them a YouTube pm plus a small comment on their channel with regards to livestreaming....I'll suggest them alternate forms of streaming if they respond but right now i hope they respond and fix the aspect ratio. I did the same. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Glad you guys are sending them feedback and i hope they will listen.. | ||
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moktira
Ireland1543 Posts
On Monday, the 5th of December, VODs on nevake from the 30th of November had been blocked worldwide as they contained content from the International ESports Group. Initially I took little notice of this and submitted a copyright dispute and they worked fine. When I uploaded the VODs from the 6th of December I also got a content ID match but disputed it again. Normally this ends it but here it put the dispute as ongoing, so it looked like the VODs would work until the dispute was resolved. If this was actually looked into they would probably have been blocked again, however I took no more notice until yesterday. Yesterday I received a pm from ESportTV entirely in Korean. The title was "SK Proleague and SF2 Proleague" and the content said that they hold the broadcasting rights for KeSPA and that I had violated their copyright and was stealing content from one of their service providers, Nate, (these are the VODs that have Nate written in the bottom corner that I occasionally used lately) and that the request that we delete all KeSPA related content. As the title said SK Proleague, I decided to just remove the current SK Proleague and leave older VODs for now. It is still not clear whether they want everything removed or not. I replied saying that I had removed all SK Proleague content and I just received another reply now asking if I was Korean, thanking me for taking prompt action and then saying "Satisfying the demands of overseas fans is more important to us than any youtube profits" (which is clearly untrue). They did not mention VODs before the current Proleague season. From their perspective, they get revenue for their VODs, some of the VODs from the first week of ProLeague got over 8,000 views on nevake and only a few hundred on their channel. If, for example, they get a cent per viewer, then they would lose $80 per VOD on nevake so I can understand why they were annoyed. What all this means and how it affects us Current VODs will no longer be uploaded to nevake, you can find them on: http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV and I will link their VODs to the Small VOD Thread. Regarding streams, it will be the same situation, they live stream on YouTube and get revenue from the viewers. However I cannot envisage them shutting streams down. Their level of english seems poor so I cannot see them finding streams easily. Unfortunately their content ID matching also means that English commentaries on YouTube will now get flagged as being IEG as it will match the video (even if you use a different source) to theirs, unless you perhaps mirror the video it will give a content ID match for VODs that have happened since the 30th of November. I suggest anyone who commentates send them a pm about this, perhaps they will let commentaries off. In principle this service should be okay. We have a group with a direct affiliation with Kespa and OGN providing live streams and then providing VODs immediately after. If they continue to provide VODs at this rate (faster than they even get them to the OGN website) and they do not require any more content removed from nevake then this is fine. If, however, they require the removal of over 11,000 VODs which they most certainly will not replace, then this is not a good thing. Also, their VODs have a dumb 16: 9 aspect ratio and their stream falls significantly behind. Basically the work of their paid employees will not be as professional as our volunteers. And their way of introducing themselves by causing some VODs on nevake and Sayle to be blocked worldwide and sending me a pm asking me to remove every Kepsa related VOD is not the best start. Please note too that a content ID Match is not the same as a copyright strike, nevake still has no copyright strikes. However they can ask us to remove anything and realistically we have to comply. | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
 problem as its the only thing stopping me (and im guessing a lot of other people) from watching the vods............ | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:18 moktira wrote: I suggest anyone who commentates send them a pm about this, perhaps they will let commentaries off. Even if they agree to let English commentaries slide, isn't the content matching automatic so my videos would get flagged anyway? | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
 Thanks moktira. | ||
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moktira
Ireland1543 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:37 Sayle wrote: Even if they agree to let English commentaries slide, isn't the content matching automatic so my videos would get flagged anyway? Yeah, it is automatic but perhaps they could make an exception for your channel or something? I don't know exactly, it's probably worth pming them and asking. I suppose you could also just continue disputing copyrights and see if anything happens. Or else just mirror the VODs.... | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
I hope all of this works out. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:47 Sawamura wrote: "satisfying the demands of overseas fan " hmmm since when did kespa actually pay attention to us , until now ? They have to start sometime. Better late then never etc. | ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
Edit: This issue = Nevake account / copyright questions | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
On December 09 2011 00:02 zatic wrote: I would also like to ask everyone to not message them about this issue. There is just too much potential for miscommuniction, and I don't believe they can really unterstand who speaks for TL officially and who doesn't. what I have done seems like it would be hard for them to understand what I was saying...but still I don't know what else to do either because how else do I expect them to know.. I spoke for myself not for teamliquid though. | ||
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Ryo
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